To determine whether a country will top the group match or win in the sudirman cup, that country needs to be good in all the events such as MS, WS, MD, WD and MD. Of course the doubles events are more important here as there are 3 doubles event compared to 2 single events. So it is very important to have very good doubles in order to advanced in the group match or top the group. Without good doubles player it will be very difficult for the country to advance in the group stage. So if we are to look at which country have good doubles player, we can more or less guess which country will win and topped the group match. To know which country have good doubles player, we can know it based on the doubles player performance form the recent tournaments that they have participated.
2015 VIVO SUDIRMAN Cup DRAW
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In order to determine which country stands a higher chance to win in sudirman cup, one just need to look at the results of all the doubles players for all the different tournaments held this year and it will give us the hint on which country will win the sudirman cup and topped the group stage. Being good in doubles department is very important in order to progress to the next stage the country must be able to win 3 doubles matches. If a country doesn't have good doubles players then it will be very difficult to win the match.
Looks like you are as confident of a Korea win as the CHN and JAP supporters are of their team winning.
any country can win
What I am trying to say is any country can win. So in order to know which country will win, one has to look at all the doubles players performance from this year tournaments then we can at least guess who will be the winner. By looking at the list of the players performance in doubles this year, countries who have good performance and have won medals in the tournament this year are China, Japan, Indonesia, Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Denmark and Germany. So since all of us would like to at least guess which country will win the sudirman cup, one must really look at the doubles performance as 3 doubles event will be competed compared to 2 single events.
What I am trying to say is any country can win. So in order to know which country will win, one has to look at all the doubles players performance from this year tournaments then we can at least guess who will be the winner. By looking at the list of the players performance in doubles this year, countries who have good performance and have won medals in the tournament this year are China, Japan, Indonesia, Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Denmark and Germany. So since all of us would like to at least guess which country will win the sudirman cup, one must really look at the doubles performance as 3 doubles event will be competed compared to 2 single events.
Malaysia will have a higher chance of advancing should LCW gets to join the roster. The team will also have a sense of assurance and less pressure if they know LCW is playing for the team.
MS : LCW vs SK - no doubt SK has made tremendous leaps since his CHN open triumph, but it's not going to be an easy getting a victory of LCW even if he's been out of the international scene for quite some time.
MD: GVS/TWK vs (???) - arguably Malaysia will get a point here although they've yet to impress after their CWG gold.
WD: Hoo/Woon vs Ashwini/Jwala - rematch of CWG final and definitely closest match of the whole tie, definitely boils down on which pair has the best form that day.
WS: Tee Jing Yee(?) vs Saina - well, hands down Saina will guarantee India 1 point as I don't think TJY/any WS from Malaysia can oppose Saina at the moment.
XD: CPS/GLY vs Ashwini and partner(?) - Now that GLY is back and they've been playing for quite some time thus also steadily regaining their former form so they will likely nail it.
Of course, this is just my speculation so feel free to agree to disagree with me.
MS : LCW vs SK - no doubt SK has made tremendous leaps since his CHN open triumph, but it's not going to be an easy getting a victory of LCW even if he's been out of the international scene for quite some time.
MD: GVS/TWK vs (???) - arguably Malaysia will get a point here although they've yet to impress after their CWG gold.
WD: Hoo/Woon vs Ashwini/Jwala - rematch of CWG final and definitely closest match of the whole tie, definitely boils down on which pair has the best form that day.
WS: Tee Jing Yee(?) vs Saina - well, hands down Saina will guarantee India 1 point as I don't think TJY/any WS from Malaysia can oppose Saina at the moment.
XD: CPS/GLY vs Ashwini and partner(?) - Now that GLY is back and they've been playing for quite some time thus also steadily regaining their former form so they will likely nail it.
Of course, this is just my speculation so feel free to agree to disagree with me.
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No worries you just need to count how many medals Vivian hoo kah mun / woon khe Wei have won in their tournaments this year and you would have known the answers and also you just need to count how many medals goh v shem / tan wee kiong have won this year and you will know the answer. You also can count the number of medals won by Chan peng soon / goh Liu Ying in tournaments this year and you will know the answers. In addition I am very impressed with Chan peng soon / goh Liu Ying performances as they have already won 1 Gold, 1 silver and 1 bronze medals this year after they played in 4 tournaments this year. Then Vivian hoo kah mun / woon khe Wei have also been consistently entering the semi finals for the tournaments that they have participated this year and goh v shem / tan wee kiong also won silver and bronze medals in the tournament that they have participated this year so no worries. Malaysia doubles have been performing well in tournaments so far.
Redraw with group winners seeded. And possible rematch of group ties 
Redraw with group winners seeded. And possible rematch of group ties
the knock-out stage draw will be set after the final standing of each group
kelana
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Russia to replace the United States in Group 1 of Sudirman Cup
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http://www.badmintonplanet.com/badminton-news/3648-2015-sudirman-cup-draw-need-to-be-redrawn.html
Btw, who is the said ineligible player?
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http://www.badmintonplanet.com/badminton-news/3648-2015-sudirman-cup-draw-need-to-be-redrawn.html
Btw, who is the said ineligible player?
the ineligible player
The ineligible player is Zhang Beiwen. She is a badminton player born in China but went over to study in Singapore during her secondary school days and changed her citizenship to Singapore. She has moved to USA long ago but nit eligible to play in WS due to the citizenship problem. Hence the redrawn. Iris Wang will replace her but her world ranking is not high enough. Therefore the relegation cannot be avoided.
The ineligible player is Zhang Beiwen. She is a badminton player born in China but went over to study in Singapore during her secondary school days and changed her citizenship to Singapore. She has moved to USA long ago but nit eligible to play in WS due to the citizenship problem. Hence the redrawn. Iris Wang will replace her but her world ranking is not high enough. Therefore the relegation cannot be avoided.
kelana
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Thanks blabl for the clarification. I dunno that Zhang Beiwen's status is not yet fully cleared, seeing her represent the USA often in individual tournaments.
Harish Reddy M
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Do you mean to say Korea is strong in team events as you ended up saying all five disciplines
And what about this idea for India , fielding Sindhu for WS and Saina for WD, since Saina is quite good at front court.
kelana
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Do you mean to say Korea is strong in team events as you ended up saying all five disciplines
And what about this idea for India , fielding Sindhu for WS and Saina for WD, since Saina is quite good at front court.
Thing is, in badminton, unlike the table tennis, two good singles do not automatically make a good double!
Do you mean to say Korea is strong in team events as you ended up saying all five disciplines
And what about this idea for India , fielding Sindhu for WS and Saina for WD, since Saina is quite good at front court.
Let's see how many points Korea will take against india. As [MENTION=121556]blabl[/MENTION] said , korea can get 5 points against India. According to him, korea's points are next to that of china's. But he forgot to see the individual ranking for singles. No offense. In both Singles, India has edge. If they pull one victory in doubles(probably in WD), India will have a chance to beat Korea.
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Harish Reddy M
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Of course not, what I meant was Saina with Ponappa and let Sindhu play singles as people are talking about Sindhu with Ponappa and Saina playing WS.
I said so because Sindhu also has good chance against Malaysia WS players on one hand and Saina is better playing doubles than Sindhu, if at all they plan something like that. Hope this clarifies.
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kelana
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See your points. A little bit gambling as such (fielding either Sindhu or Saina in WD) may give IND better chance against MAS. For sure do not field the usual WD
Well it is certainly too risky to ask a player to play in more than one discipline in the sudirman sup. For example, if a player has to play in the MS and then after that play in the MD, that player may be tired and thus the risk of losing the game is very high. That also goes the same if a player already play in the WS and after that play in the WD, the chances of the player losing the game is very high due to tiredness. Plus a good MD player does not mean that person can be a good MS player. A good MS player also does not mean that he can be a good MD player. Take for example Lin Dan. Lin Dan is a good MS no doubt. But he has never play in MD before. This is because every player has its own limitation. Imagine if Lin Dan has to play in the MS category for China, and after that play in the MD category for China. I don't think he can win in the MD category as he is not trained to play as MD. Hence if a player has to play in 2 different categories in the sudirman cup, every thing may backfire and the result may not be good.
Harish Reddy M
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[MENTION=121556]blabl[/MENTION] , we are not discussing about fielding Saina in two disciplines, rather it is Sindhu playing WS and Saina playing role of WD player. (I just mentioned this as people were talking about Saina in WS and Sindhu in WD, I just think if they are planning something like that the other way is better against Malaysia as Sindhu also has very good chance against Malaysian WS and Saina is much more comfortable playing the role of front court player compared to Sindhu, so that it is better combination with Ponappa who likes to be a back court player, though I must say she too improved very well in her front court play after pairing with Joachim