what is the hardest-smashing badass racket u have used?

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  1. LongReach

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    Yeah, It is true. It must be the 'nano-whatever' in it.........:D lol

    It is an awesome headlight!.......:)
     
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    For me they are:

    MP-100 > MP-99 > Ti-10 > Cab30MS

    I really miss my MP-100 as I have sold them all long time ago when I didn't like them at beginning and now I realize that I miss its explosive power.
     
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    Well, the nano-whatever didn't do any good for me. So I got rid of my NS8k. A week later the guy I sold it to came to me and said "hey, this racket's got no power", and I said " I know, I know". :D

    The racket takes a certain skill/strenght to play with. All I remember was that I got a feeling of being bounced off the shuttle when I used the NS8k. The increased racket speed didn't compensat for the lighter mass of the head. The resulting racket momentum for me was rather poor.

    momentum = mass * velocity

    An ultimate head light racket would have 0 mass on the head. Even if an infinite amount of arm strength is used on the racket, the racket would still bounce off the shuttle rather than the shuttle bouncing off the racket. So head light is not alway best :)
     
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    HEHE:D Just joking about the nano-whatever I don't think it makes much difference if any from normal graphites:confused: .

    For a 'Headlight' I think it has alot of power. I still find alot of even-balance rackets in the mp series have more sting in smashes and over heads. But power is not everything for me. I have found that my placement/accuracy/deceptions is great with this racket.
    I have really long arms (hence 'LongReach') and use heaps of wrist and have a very fast swing, but you still have to have a good connection with the shuttle for good power.
     
  5. DRaGoNoVA

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    sorry for bringing up this thread again. i was wondering if a 4U AT700 or AT800 OFF would be a better racket for a smasher in this weight range. i heard that the AT700 is a stiffer racket while the AT800 OFF is more head-heavy?
     
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    AT700 stiffer compared to what? If it is compared to AT800 OF, I think AT800 OF is stiffer.

    Both are very head heavy. I am not sure which one is more head heavy though. Just tried them for one game each.
     
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    I believe you have it the other way around. The AT700 is very head heavy while the AT800-OF is stiffer.
     
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    I strung an AT800OF 3U for someone recently and had a few swings with it. It was so head heavy that I didn't care if it was more or less head heavy than other rackets. I didn't even bother to measure where the balance point was. I just thought it was a crazy racket, and would take someone with a gorilla arm to move it around effectively.
     
  9. DRaGoNoVA

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    hmm, can any1 around here who have tried a 4u version of AT700 and AT800 OFF give advice on which is a better racket for a smasher in his/her opinion? thanks!
     
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    Just for smashing, the AT700 is better because it's so endloaded. However, I prefer the AT800 because it has better control and defense. The extreme endload on the AT700 makes it a harder racket to master.
     
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    I have the AT-700 and its amazing for smashing. In terms of control, I do not think its such a significant trade-off.
     
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    for a second i thought this was a physics class :p
     
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    many ppl suggest that AT 800 is meant for doubles but what if one used it in singles how does it change ur game. I'm a singles players and have power based game and smash a lot. So is AT 800 a good racket for me? The other rackets which were recomended were Muscle Power 100, Muscle Power 99 and Nanospeed 9000x
     
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    I think it depends on what kind of power you generate in your game. For me, I had trouble generating power with the AT800off while a NS8k provided a pretty solid hit (both strung with bg65 @ 24ish pounds). For people who are more arm power, I think the AT800off would better suit them while people who rely on more of the wrist movment and having a higher head volicity instead of ending volocity.
     
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    Make life easy for yourself.............buy the racket that suits your singles game and play doubles with the same racket.


    oh the mp99 is great for both.
     
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    I think the AT800off would better suit them while people who rely on more of the wrist movment and having a higher head volicity instead of ending volocity.

    Can u plz explain that furhter?
     
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    As far as I kno, there are two primary ways to gain power on hits. 1) having high momentum with would require a headheavy racket; this would be for people who have arm power. 2) higher headspeed with lower momentum which would be with a headlight racket (more for people with wrist power for quick snaps). The AT800of is heavier then the ns8k, so for me I hav trouble hitting very hard with the AT800off because I raly a lot on getting that quick snap.

    As for the difference in ending speed. Naturally you should be following through, but with a lighter racket more of the headspeed is tranfered to the birdy which results in a lower headspeed after contact while some other rackets like ti-10 would follow through at a faster speed because of it's momentum. This is all assuming you don't add power after contact with the birdie.
     
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    My dictionarys says

    momentum = velocity (speed) * mass (weight)
     
  19. jerby

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    ok here it goes

    Momentum
    Momentum is often ascosiated with power. and various claims ahve bene made that have (U/2U) "always" smash harder than lighter rackets. if we leave balance point, stifness, lenght and swinging technique out fo the equation this is what we get: "power"=velocity (swing speed) x mass (mass of racket)
    if we scale Velocity from 1 to 10 (10 highest) same for mass.

    now Player A gets a 4U racket and smashes with it. being a light arcket his speed would be 10. however, due to the lightness the mass is 4. momentum="40"

    now the same player gets a 2U racket. being heavy his velocity will decrease to 4, howveer being heavy the arckets is weighted 10. momentum is again 40....

    Player B however is a very strong guy with and explosive arm. a 4U arcket would not do him good, his swingspeed is 10. and mass is 4.
    but he can swing a 2u almost just as fast as a 4U (since 10 is just the fysical max for him.) so when V=9 and M=10 he will smash harder.

    lesson of this: heavier rackets (swingweight or concrete mass) smash harder if he can swing the heavy racket fast enough.
     
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    Not just swing fast enough, he needs to be able to transfer the energy to the shuttle.

    Also timing is very important. Yesterday, we were testing some Korean made shuttles by MMOA. Strong, Select and Super Select. I picked up my Woven 7 and was overswinging and had bad timing. Though I swung the 7 faster than my 11, I was hitting the shuttle way harder with my 11 because I had better timing.
     

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