VIVO BWF SUDIRMAN Cup 2015 : Day 4 - Group Stage Matches (13th May 2015)
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First time catching sudirman cup after falling in love with badminton last year. Did anyone question the way the knock out draw was made? I thought my friend was joking when he said korea is meeting malaysia again. Why can't they draw in a way that 2 teams in the same grp shouldn't face each other again in the quarters, aka football's uefa champions league?
Don't know if anyone noticed the Canada v Spain match
But Michelle Li just took down the reigning world champion Carolina Marin 12-21, 27-25, 24-22.
Slim chance Canada wins that overall tie, but that's some impressive fight!
Best of luck to Michelle in everything in the future, GO CANADA *air horn BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR*
But Michelle Li just took down the reigning world champion Carolina Marin 12-21, 27-25, 24-22.
Slim chance Canada wins that overall tie, but that's some impressive fight!
Best of luck to Michelle in everything in the future, GO CANADA *air horn BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR*
China is playing Germany too.
I suppose random draw is technically the most fair way of doing a knock out draw.
It's definitnely less exciting for spectators since we've seen the match already and may in the case of CHN v GER, the chance of an upset is slim next to none after getting beat 5-0, and China didn't even drop a single game.
MAY v KOR will be an interesting one though, shame it's not being shown on TV, but China being the home team definitely gets some loving from the people who pick broadcasted matches.
You saw what happened in the Olympics ladies doubles draw and the fallout? LOL
kelana
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Michelle Li shuts up Carolina Marin
wow, that's very good of Michelle Li to take down the WC
kelana
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In addition to earlier responses, I'd like to add up.
AFTER the group stage matches completed, there is a NEW Team Seeding whereas CHN is seeded #1, JPN #2, both INA & MAS #3/4...(fyi, previously before the tournament started, KOR was seeded #2), this ensures that CHN & JPN won't be in the same half. Then those runner-ups at the group stage were freely drawed (i.e. they're the free balls, had to be the champs of the groups to be excluded)...wheels of fortune played their parts here, that's why GER again see CHN
and KOR will again face MAS can't complain really if you understand how the system works
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Yeah, but is it because the draw was made in advance that they knew they would not meet each other till final, if both finished as grp winner together or runner-up together?
Teams who were in the same group meeting at the knockout stage shouldn't be rare at all.
If we consider the four groups as 1,2,3,4 and the assignment of the winner of group N to the runner-up of group M to be a permutation on four elements {1,2,3,4}, then the situation that no group winner plays its group runner-up corresponds to a permutation where no number is taken to itself, a situation called a derangement.
In fact for permutations on 4 elements there are 9 derangements and 15 permutations that will fix at least one element, i.e. assign at least one group winner to play the runner-up. Restricting the draw so that the group winner will not play the runner-up might make the draw pool too small.
Also re UEFA I believe Champions league is 8 groups instead of 4 right?
If we consider the four groups as 1,2,3,4 and the assignment of the winner of group N to the runner-up of group M to be a permutation on four elements {1,2,3,4}, then the situation that no group winner plays its group runner-up corresponds to a permutation where no number is taken to itself, a situation called a derangement.
In fact for permutations on 4 elements there are 9 derangements and 15 permutations that will fix at least one element, i.e. assign at least one group winner to play the runner-up. Restricting the draw so that the group winner will not play the runner-up might make the draw pool too small.
Also re UEFA I believe Champions league is 8 groups instead of 4 right?
Regardless whether it would happen or not, let's hope this victory will give Michelle Li extra confidence when she plays against the world's best players in future matches.
I hope so too.
RedShuttle
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The random draw was instituted after Korea sent doubles player to play singles and singles players to play doubles in one of the cups.
BWF, ever the slow learner, did not use the same method for the Olympics after installing group play there. Many people saw the problem right the way, except for BWF which would just ride the high horse and blame others.
RedShuttle
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This is to give the teams playing on Friday a bit more rest time. The Friday winners will play the Thursday winners on Saturday. It would be unfair, especially to the team playing at 1pm on Saturday.Why does the organizer arrange all these level 2,3,4 matches at 7pm on 15 May'15 (Friday)?? Most of the spectators would have left after the Level 1 QF matches begin at 1pm. The organizer never consider the feeling of these players
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kelana
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RedShuttle, what an interesting info about the past practices, I am not aware at all.
It implies that at one time in the past team tournament the KOR team was actually playing to lose to better position itself against the (perceived) softer opponent in later stage. Outplayed the drawing system
RedShuttle, what an interesting info about the past practices, I am not aware at all.
It implies that at one time in the past team tournament the KOR team was actually playing to lose to better position itself against the (perceived) softer opponent in later stage. Outplayed the drawing system
Yup, 2008 TC. Must have been an interesting sight to see Lee Hyun-Il and Park Sung-Hwan playing doubles :O as well as Shon Seung-Mo
kelana
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Match overview of Wednesday, May 13, 2015 (Day 4)
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Level 1 Group C Indonesia - Denmark 3-2
Level 1 Group D Korea - India 4-1
Level 2 Group A Netherlands - Singapore 4-1
Level 2 Group A Spain - Canada 3-2
Level 2 Group B France - Brazil 4-1
Level 2 Group B Hong Kong China - USA 5-0
Level 3 Group A Austria - South Africa 4-1
Level 3 Group A Czech Republic - Turkey 3-2
Level 3 Group B Australia - Switzerland 3-2
Level 3 Group B Vietnam - Italy 5-0
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Level 1 Group C Indonesia - Denmark 3-2
Level 1 Group D Korea - India 4-1
Level 2 Group A Netherlands - Singapore 4-1
Level 2 Group A Spain - Canada 3-2
Level 2 Group B France - Brazil 4-1
Level 2 Group B Hong Kong China - USA 5-0
Level 3 Group A Austria - South Africa 4-1
Level 3 Group A Czech Republic - Turkey 3-2
Level 3 Group B Australia - Switzerland 3-2
Level 3 Group B Vietnam - Italy 5-0