Lin Dan walkover in MO

It seems that logic and sense are somewhat lacking in some posts.

In this particular case, LD was authorized by the Tournament organizers to withdraw on Malaysian medical opinions. No matter what rules you propose, short of a machine rendered opinion, LD's withdrawal was legitimate and would not have been penalized under any rules, or be compelled to play in the tournament.

This WO taken in isolation would be a non-event. The problem is that it has become a pattern of behaviour with the Chinese team. As admitted by the 'evil' LYB in the past.

Also, it's a laugh to say that pro players can make their own decisions. Yeah, they might be free from their associations. Even then, don't forget that particiation in events like Asian Games and Olympic Games will always be controlled by the associations.

Yes pro players can and do make their own decisions. Don't forget the Chinese players are not professional. Again I offer the contrast of Tennis and the behaviour of players such as Federer or Nadal.

Even being pros, players still must answer to their sponsors. There is no lack of cases where players were coerced to particiapte in events by their sponsors, to the detriment of their health. It wouldn't surprise me if pro players are asked to give up certain events, if need be, to guarantee participation and performance at events where their sponsors have key interest.

Technically speaking LD's major sponsor, Li Ning is not his sponsor but rather sponsers the entire Chinese team. I doubt he has to answer to any sponsor directly. Your last sentance is pure speculation but, giving you the benifit of the doubt on this point, there is a big difference between giving an event a miss (such as Peter Gade in this case) and entering it only to throw a match. You are not influencing the draw by staying home.

Even on a persoanl level, imagine that as if LD is totally free to make his own decision. Why would he risk aggregating an injury for a MO title at the expense of Olympic glory that can mean millions for years? Campared to a gold medal at London 2012, even the giant prize at KO is insignificant.

Why wasn't that a concern of his until he ended up in a draw against CL? But as a player of a few sports at a competive level, I'll give you a reason.... Competitive spirit. Real atheletes have a very big drive to compete and to win. If you think that worrying about his condition for the 2012 OG played any part in his decision to WO in this event you have a very weak grasp of reality. Logically if that was his concern, why would he even enter the event?

LD walked in China, in Hong Kong. His walk at MO is no more offensive than his walk on home soil.

You mean it is no less offensive. Like I said, it's a pattern of behaviour.

Just to be clear, I am not advocating that players can be disrespectful to any event. I am just as disappointed, but perhaps not as angry, as the next person for not seeing the showdown between LD and LCW. But, please think calmly for a moment:

(1) It is far from conclusive that LD acted in malice. In fact, the official, MO offical, not CBA/LYB/LD's mom, opinion was that he wasn't.

It is just as far from inconclusive. You are putting too much faith in the opinion of an MO offical. First off you don't know what the MO official's real opinion is. Even if they don't think the injury is legit what the heck can they do about it? Why would they stir up controversy. I can walk into the doctors office and tell him I have a pain in my abdomen. What is he going to say? "No you don't"?? I'll tell you what he will say, he'll say "get some rest and come back if it doesn't get better in a week or two"

(2) before blaming the badmintion organizations or political systems, be aware that a personal, commercial decision made free of polictical influence may result in the same outcome.

Again more speculation but your speculation doesn't stand up to practice. Getting tired of repeating myself on this but if you look at the sport of tennis where you have professional players competing as professionals you do not have this kind of thing going on routinely.

Now, if anyone has any clever idea to scientifically approve or disapprove a player's withdrawal, keep them coming. It helps to test your ideas on, say, LD's withdrwals at CO, HKO, and MO to see if it can produce any meaningful results.

Scientific evidence. Ok first you need to PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE. This is a discussion forum not a court room of any kind. Also nobody is submitting anything for peer review. Ironically, as a Scientist, I could do a statistical study of WOs given by the Chinese team and show that they are not a random event. PM me if you want to commision a report.

One last thing. If you are going to open your post with "It seems that logic and sense are somewhat lacking in some posts" it really is incumbent on you to sight one or two such posts and offer a logical and sensible rebutal rather than following such a statement with a post that is filled with nothing more then your own speculation and bit of nonsense.
 
Take note on the total prize (imho: this is their main purpose to walkover)

2011 VICTOR KOREA OPEN
BADMINTON SUPER SERIES PREMIER

Total Prize Money
US$1,200,000

Ya, you are right, the ultimate motive :)

Lin Dan sat down there and watch lcw played until the final,

A good strategy and planning by the once again, infamous you know who :D

In fact, I mentioned if it's real injury cba should let Lin Dan rest to recover the injury

And skip Korea open :D

As there isn't any known treatment for such an injury for such a short time :D
 
Ya, you are right, the ultimate motive :)

Lin Dan sat down there and watch lcw played until the final,

A good strategy and planning by the once again, infamous you know who :D

In fact, I mentioned if it's real injury cba should let Lin Dan rest to recover the injury

And skip Korea open :D

As there isn't any known treatment for such an injury for such a short time :D

May be LD consumes a lot of 冬虫草... LOL
 
One last thing. If you are going to open your post with "It seems that logic and sense are somewhat lacking in some posts" it really is incumbent on you to sight one or two such posts and offer a logical and sensible rebutal rather than following such a statement with a post that is filled with nothing more then your own speculation and bit of nonsense.

Loved reading your reply! Very clear thinking and delivery. Kudos! :D
 
How do you explain the withdrawals in CO and HO ??

It is quite obvious that in CO, LD (or higher authority) gave way for more junior player to gain points.
In HO, LD (or higher authority) don't want to play against LCW (same like in MO).
Isn't that make sense to you?
 
Honestly, do U think the result will be somehow different if LD was fielded instead of CL? IMHO, LCW will still chalk up with a win
 
Honestly, do U think the result will be somehow different if LD was fielded instead of CL? IMHO, LCW will still chalk up with a win
Good question! Imho, in sports, everything can happens.
But the question is, what can happens if one player DO NOT want to play against another?
 
I think after 3 withdrawals they MAY be linked to allowing junior players to swim in the deep end

against the masters, LD is doing his part of team building and giving back to CBA what CBA gave to him.

But if he just withdrew when he was up to play non-team members and LCW was waiting then it is a different conclusion and definitely damaging.

I think all these is really hype, it was true in boxing decades back when Mike Tyson,Holyfield etc played a lot of hide and seek,

causing the promoters to up the purse many times. Possibly may be linked to CBL. i think the ultimate meeting might be in the CBL after they build everything to a high suspense. Let's hope gambling is not involved (I dont think so).

I think both LCW and LD may be enjoying this suspense.
 
I think after 3 withdrawals they MAY be linked to allowing junior players to swim in the deep end

against the masters, LD is doing his part of team building and giving back to CBA what CBA gave to him.

....

one thing that is always forgotten by the fans, LD is a actually a military soldier and still has a title in army. He once said he is proud of being a soldier, not dare of fighting, but also very discipline and would obey to orders which are good for winning the big battles.

for him, the big battles are whatever benefitial to the whole national team. I read from one of his interview around the AG last year, he said that being the senior member of the team, he firmly believes that he now also bears the responsibility of raising younger team-mates, apart from winning games that matter to the national team when necessary.

his latest WOs is just reflecting your statement above. SS are nothing to them except training grounds, just look at how CHN team change various partning in the doubles...

this is a matter of value judgement, like it or not. And I guess they would still exploit the rules to work towards their benefit.
 
it's a blight on the sport if LD is withdrawing for any reason other than being physically unable to play. We (badminton fans) want our sport to be ranked amongst the worlds best, but while associations control many of the results, the sport will not be taken seriously.
 
To keep this discussion short:

If Lin Dan is having the real injury, he should not play in the coming Korea open :D

Why let him suffer and slow down recovery or worsen his injury?

Unless there is another motive we are not aware of :D

Lin Dan will be playing in the KO 2011 (according to Hauge)
 
It is quite obvious that in CO, LD (or higher authority) gave way for more junior player to gain points.
In HO, LD (or higher authority) don't want to play against LCW (same like in MO).
Isn't that make sense to you?
How much the total combined price of CO, HO and MO?? Not enough to get LD as motivated as KO price?? OK lets see what happens, if LD ends up beating a CHN MS on his way to the KO title, then you are right.
 
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This sort of cheating goes on in every sport, but it's always soo cheeky the authorities can't do anything about it.
LD pulling out to allow team mates to progress, none of the badminton board are doctors, even if they were has anybody here ever made an injury sound a bit worse because by the time the doctor sees you, your injury only hurts when you do certain things. Well if somebody told LD how to fake the pain of that injury he could easily trick a doctor.
LD owes us as spectators nothing. He owes China a lot, he has to obey to team orders and do what is best for China, and his nprofile in China.

Not in every sport definitely.

Try doing that in tennis and it will be the end of the tennis career.
 
Haters is still haters forever,,,,, still blame LIN DAN ?? than blame on that Malaysian Doctor,,,,, she/he's the one who certified that LIN DAN was not fit to play....

if that Doctor said LIN DAN was Fit to play,, than LIN DAN must play,,, but that MALAYSIAN doctor said he cannot play,,, than why still blame LIN DAN ????

so the main problem here is LIN DAN haters don't BELIEVE that DOCTOR

hmmm,,, with a resumed from a professional doctor from Malaysia,,, those hatters still blame LIN DAN,,,,if that Doctor is from CHINA,,, than we might think that there's a conspiracy,, BUT Heloooo that Doctor is from MALAYSIA not China....

LIN DAn is not a robot,, He's just a human being .....

I hope that LIN DAN will Get Well soon and WIN KOREA OPEN next week.....


LIN DAN Jiaaaaaaaaaa Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
CHINA TEAM Jia Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

LOVE CHINA TEAM FOREVER !!!!!!!!!!



Bribe the malaysian doctor with Renminbi(china dollars):pDon't forget, LD is a millionaire and sponsored by LiNing:rolleyes:I bribed my doctor to skip college classes before, and i am sure some of you here had done it before:D
Look at China soccer, lots of corruptions in Chinese football league, the head of China Football Association got sacked last year, no i won't provide info, DIY with google:p
 
Bribe the malaysian doctor with Renminbi(china dollars):pDon't forget, LD is a millionaire and sponsored by LiNing:rolleyes:I bribed my doctor to skip college classes before, and i am sure some of you here had done it before:D
Look at China soccer, lots of corruptions in Chinese football league, the head of China Football Association got sacked last year, no i won't provide info, DIY with google:p

Pls show some respect for our Malaysian Medical profession. We have high standards here.
 
The MS draw for KO. shows no China player in LD's half, they are all in LCW's half.

LD is with Taufik & gade.

Now on to KO thread.
 
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