China will NOT attend Super Series Finals

Discussion in 'Super Series Final 2007' started by apontoh, Nov 25, 2007.

  1. sjoe

    sjoe Regular Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2002
    Messages:
    440
    Likes Received:
    0
    Occupation:
    Engineer
    Location:
    n/a
    I don't tink is fair for China to say it now and boycott the final. If they disagree with the SS scheduling, it should have protested from the start. It should have gentlement's agreement, once you agree to participate let finish it and will review for the next one.
    Boycott is a form of protest, it is because of fustration. LYB must be very fustrated that his players can't perform consitently tournament after tournament. Well he has to adjust his methode of training if he agree to participate at the first place.
     
  2. chris-ccc

    chris-ccc Regular Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2006
    Messages:
    26,902
    Likes Received:
    21
    Occupation:
    Professional Badminton Coach & Badminton Promoter
    Location:
    Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
    LYB is just interested in winning GOLD at the Olympics 2008

    I don't think this is a boycott.

    I think the reason is that LYB is more interested in winning GOLD at the Beijing Olympics 2008.

    The SS Finals prize money for his players (or for himself) is not as important to him.

    ***
     
  3. huangkwokhau

    huangkwokhau Regular Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2007
    Messages:
    18,482
    Likes Received:
    74
    Occupation:
    sales & design
    Location:
    everywhere
    WTA offers ranking points for final 8......
     
  4. ctjcad

    ctjcad Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2004
    Messages:
    19,083
    Likes Received:
    6
    Location:
    u.s.a.
    Hmmm..

    hmmmmm....now that i think about it, perhaps holding the SS Grand Prix event in January next yr wouldn't be a bad idea afterall. Granted, it will be held in M'sia and around the same time as the 2008 M'sian Open?!...:confused::p

    Anyways, it's unfortunate and definitely won't be the same, now that the CHN squad wouldn't be able to attend this event.:( But i also think the organizer shouldn't be affected by their absence. Rather, they should just hold this event and still respect the other countries'/players participation...:cool:
     
  5. well-son

    well-son Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2007
    Messages:
    819
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Earth
    Just guessing, could it be some kind of soft protest from LYB/China BA for not attending the Super Series Final because BWF limit the players max 2 in each category --- as they have (or can have) more than 2 players, especially in MS, WD, WS?
    He/they think it's unfair? Could it be?

    If it happens in the future, it would be definietly good, for the players and for the sport (badminton) as well.
     
  6. Shifty

    Shifty Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2006
    Messages:
    1,065
    Likes Received:
    3
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    New Zealand
    what many of you are forgetting, is that, yes, Wong Mew Choo, Peter Gade, and everyone non-chinese plays in the Super Series as well. BUT, they don't play as many games per tournament, cos they usually get kicked out before the finals. chinese players have usually played the longest routes to get to where ever they end up(usually winners).

    and what they're doing isn't really unfair on the other players. it's actually letting lower ranked opponents a chance to shine without the presence of China. it's actually pretty smart. as my dad often tells me, "win the matches you need to win, treat the others as a club game."

    i guess the Chinese are just doing that. they want to win the Olympics, and so, to them, the Super Series final is like the Vietnam open. it doesn't really matter if they win it or miss out.
     
  7. kwun

    kwun Administrator

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2002
    Messages:
    40,273
    Likes Received:
    1,306
    Occupation:
    BC Janitor
    Location:
    Santa Clara, CA, USA
    also remember that the attraction of SS Final is mostly for spectator and prize money. the anticipated prize money is very attractive, these are professionals afterall and they don't just go for ranking points but also the cash reward.
     
  8. sjoe

    sjoe Regular Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2002
    Messages:
    440
    Likes Received:
    0
    Occupation:
    Engineer
    Location:
    n/a
    It would be disaster if other country will retaliate by pulling out from OG. May not be Indonesia or Malaysia but other country like Denmark, Britain, Thailand etc.
     
  9. kenny7_2006

    kenny7_2006 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2006
    Messages:
    644
    Likes Received:
    0
    Occupation:
    Working student...
    Location:
    Malaysia
  10. kenny7_2006

    kenny7_2006 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2006
    Messages:
    644
    Likes Received:
    0
    Occupation:
    Working student...
    Location:
    Malaysia
    if it does go on, it will still be interesting to watch, with or without China's participation...
     
  11. chris-ccc

    chris-ccc Regular Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2006
    Messages:
    26,902
    Likes Received:
    21
    Occupation:
    Professional Badminton Coach & Badminton Promoter
    Location:
    Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
    Doha to host Super Series Finals 2007 ?

    The latest that I have heard is that Doha could hold it in January 2008.

    ***
     
    #51 chris-ccc, Nov 26, 2007
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2007
  12. kkkfans

    kkkfans Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2007
    Messages:
    95
    Likes Received:
    0
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Malaysia
    i think china just considered at next year olympik oni.....n they wan get more champion on it.....but malaysia sure can take champion even they train harder......
     
  13. sumbadder

    sumbadder Regular Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2007
    Messages:
    314
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    bay
    You guys make it sound like everyone except China has to participate in the SS finals. Fact is, the tournament is in shambles and nobody is required to play in it. Of course it's bad for the sport if players don't participate in the flagship event of the BWF but they aren't obligated to in any way. As stated before, the event happened to land in an Olympic qualification year so players are participating in every possible qualification tournament to secure their spot in the Games and are probably in need of rest before the 2008 season begins. Given that there are no points involved in this tournament, I'd be willing to bet that there will be more players not participating in the Finals if they even take place as they need to rest up and aren't really in need of the money.
     
  14. pjswift

    pjswift Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2006
    Messages:
    3,517
    Likes Received:
    132
    Location:
    singapore
    only CHN needs to rest cos their players in poor shape.
    It's gonna be round robin style so players play a minimum of 3 matches and max of 5.And it's all for better money than usual;why would they not turn up? In fact am delighted CHN withdraw (because LYB knows his players unlikely to win); it means instead of BCL and LD, we' ll have TH and BP. Isn't that more exciting? Looking forward to it in jan 08. (Confirmed by Spore's CV)
     
  15. Shifty

    Shifty Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2006
    Messages:
    1,065
    Likes Received:
    3
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    New Zealand
    depends on your version of exciting.
     
  16. Krisna

    Krisna Regular Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2006
    Messages:
    5,893
    Likes Received:
    9
    Occupation:
    General Management
    Location:
    Indonesia
    Walk the talk!

    If China is frustrated that the SS schedule is too much, why not walk the talk and reduce the China Masters SS to a GP Gold event? :) There. One SS down. Or... don't have any China Masters at all... [if there are internal Chinese pressures to send China players to their own GP Gold event]Either way, that's one week off the schedule if they so chooses... ;) Don't just be frustrated, act! Beginning with a leadership action from yourself! ;)

    Please please, no boycotts by anybody... boycotts will so annoy the Olympic Comittee that they might decide to drop badminton as an Olympic sport altogether! :mad: :crying: We all loose! By us, I mean badminton fans and people in the badminton world... I heard sports like golf can't wait to take badminton's place in the OG.
     
  17. twobeer

    twobeer Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2003
    Messages:
    3,999
    Likes Received:
    12
    Occupation:
    computer
    Location:
    Sweden
    I fail to see why this would not be "fair".. They all have had equal opportunity to be in the top 8 positions... participating in previous SS-events..

    /Twobeer
     
  18. twobeer

    twobeer Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2003
    Messages:
    3,999
    Likes Received:
    12
    Occupation:
    computer
    Location:
    Sweden
    The problem lies in the fact, that CHN players don't play as individuals, and thus the money incentive for these players is non existant.. I doubt they get to keep any prize money personally at all. Their results are measured by ranking points (and ultimately gold medals), not prize money..

    This structure, I think is also bad for the sport as the money needs to be bigger if we want it to grow commercially..

    Other pro players on the other hand will just be happy if CHN players don't take part in big money events, as it will make their way to the money easier..

    Fans like me however want to see the best players in action...

    /Twobeer
     
  19. twobeer

    twobeer Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2003
    Messages:
    3,999
    Likes Received:
    12
    Occupation:
    computer
    Location:
    Sweden
    You are forgetting, that All chineese players don't reach the finals all the time..

    Also its a good chance they will get occasional easy games from WO's or given games from "team"-members :p

    So I don't think it is a fair assessment to say all Chinnese play more games..

    looking at some stats...

    in SS up to french..

    The number of total matches are Gade:22,Bao:26,LD:35,KJ:22,LCW:29...

    But if we take away the WO:s and "internal" CHN-team nmeetings it is:

    Bao:17, LD:27...

    /Twobeer
     
  20. Krisna

    Krisna Regular Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2006
    Messages:
    5,893
    Likes Received:
    9
    Occupation:
    General Management
    Location:
    Indonesia
    Chris... I think you have gathered some inaccurate information here...

    The SS Final is not an invitation event. You have to qualify for it. You have 12 SS chances throughout this competition year to accumulate as many points as possible. And then, ...with the blessing of your national association, you can possibly be one of the top player or pair of your country [max 2] to play in the SS Final.

    Then... is it also not fair to award ranking points in the World Championship and Olympic Games?!? Only max 4 players/pairs per category can represent his/her country in the WC... and max 3 in the OG... So there are many people in that country who are not qualified to participate...

    Actually, Chris, is it also not fair to only allow the highest ranked competitor to participate in a normal SS event? Many BWF registered player could not play in some SS because they are not ranked high enough compared to the others... Thus, they could not get any ranking points in that SS because they don't qualify... So? Not fair for these unqualified people? :confused:

    Yup, twobeer... I agree with you.
     

Share This Page