Apacs Vs Yonex

Got up at 7.00 am this morning and head to the gym to play baddy with my friends, good game with 8 people, 3 of them very good players...one of them bought a NS9900 just 2 months ago and this morning, clashed and warped the NS9900, there goes C$300 (MR1000)...better stay with APAC130, if broke, cry a little and only lost C$50...
 
I think stiffness is the only distinction between racquets made by Yonex and those made by other manufacturers: Yonex ones tend to feel more stiff. Everything else, the racquet between these makes are almost the same. Players who like stiff or very stiff racquets are probably better off buying Yonex ones than other brands.
 
roy b said:
Wrong idea ? Er, wait a minute.

"No one in this world would like to copy or clone others company product" was your quote.............. I just corrected you and told you why.

Now read. Yonex has the lions share of the current racket market. It has built up a strong product and client base.Therefore, it has little or no interest in cloning - it would hardly be worth their while for the potential small added income and more importantly would be a risky thing to do as their brand image could be seriously damaged.

However, Yonex are there to be shot at by smaller competitors. A company like Apacs would clearly be interested in cloning the market leader as it could lead to ADDITIONAL business to that that they obtain from their 'original Apacs' brand. This is potentially a massive increase in their turnover/profit.

Thus, cloning is not a viable thing for a whale like Yonex, but is a very logical (if not quite ethical.... ah, but let's not bring ethics into this) thing to do for a minnow like Apacs.

This 'original Apacs' brand may be better, equal or worse than the Yonex brand - this is not important or relevant. Remember, often companies producing 'superior' products may actually clone a company producing an inferior product if the inferior product has a much greater market share. Therefore, cloning is NOT an indication of superior or inferior products, products can be either. It swings both ways so to speak.

Your basic argument, and yes I have carefully read your (somewhat comfusing) posts DUDE, is that the quote 'Apacs are better than Yonex' can't be true because Apacs clone and Yonex don't. Now do you understand that cloning is not an indication of a better/worse product ? Therefore, your moaning/argument against the above quote really just doesn't hold water.

I feel that you should put your clear bias to one side for a moment and respect the guys quote above. You may personally disagree with what he said, but you have not put forward any concrete argument in support of your belief.

Roy B.
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I couldn't agree more with what you have said here. Now this is an non-bias POV. I think you justified every brands/models' own value.
 
Cloning of best selling model is pure marketing.

Most of us buying Apacs rackets because we believe it is "bang for your buck", which translates into high performance/price ratio.

Apacs clones Racket A($200) from Yonex, but only at a quarter of original price. Most people would feel that it is good deal if the clone could deliver 60% performance of Racket A.

Consider this case, the clone is expected to last for 8 months, while Racket A lasts for 2 years for a player like John.

So let's do some math for John,

Racket A:
100% performance x 24 months = 2400 (performance points)
Performance/Price ratio = 2400/200 = 12

Clone:
60% performance x 8 months = 480 (performance points)
Performance/Price ratio = 480/50 = 9.6

The figure speaks for itself.

There are many models from different brands may have performance better than clone of Racket A at competitive price. But what makes people buy clone of Racket A, maybe the only reason is the paint job?

Cloning of best selling model is pure marketing.
 
cooler said:
close but my statement is 'more air tight' and lawyer proof :p :p
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agree! Yonex should take legal actions against the fakes and the clones. If apacs is so good why can't they produce their own rackets (with the same lower price) instead of cloning. I don't know why i feel annoyed when i see clonings and fakes.

Haha xp i'm a loyal Yonex fans, i wear only genuine yonex attires, shoes, bag, rackets... No cloning No fake...

Z spark Z smash Z slayer? Haha No thanks
 
yo nickspeed, you do know that apacs have their own line of rackets too? and its arguable that some apacs rackets such as their own line lethal 70/tantrum 300 are better than yonex rackets. just saying...
and its just that they clone so that its cheaper and more people has a choice of buying their rackets and not expensive yy rackets.
i personally own and use both apacs and yy stuffs so yea..
ima fan of both apacs and yy btw . so not really a hater of yonex.
my 2cents , peace
 
xSeasonx said:
yo nickspeed, you do know that apacs have their own line of rackets too? and its arguable that some apacs rackets such as their own line lethal 70/tantrum 300 are better than yonex rackets. just saying...
and its just that they clone so that its cheaper and more people has a choice of buying their rackets and not expensive yy rackets.
i personally own and use both apacs and yy stuffs so yea..
ima fan of both apacs and yy btw . so not really a hater of yonex.
my 2cents , peace
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i'm not an apacs hater, but hmmm i'm just annoyed by the idea of cloning. By the way... (forget those cloning issue) does apacs edgesabre z slayer perform exactly the same as Yonex counterpart? How about the material used?
 
nickspeed9900 said:
i'm not an apacs hater, but hmmm i'm just annoyed by the idea of cloning. By the way... (forget those cloning issue) does apacs edgesabre z slayer perform exactly the same as Yonex counterpart? How about the material used?
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hey tats what im trying to find out too :)
so far.. they both dont vibrate if u hit the speedspot.. apacs are 4u whereas yy z slash is 3u weight.
and es slayer/spark have a shorter shaft??
confirm this please.
other than that, some says other than that, theres no idfference with yy and apacs in terms of feel,power,control
 
xSeasonx said:
hey tats what im trying to find out too :)
so far.. they both dont vibrate if u hit the speedspot.. apacs are 4u whereas yy z slash is 3u weight.
and es slayer/spark have a shorter shaft??
confirm this please.
other than that, some says other than that, theres no idfference with yy and apacs in terms of feel,power,control
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i think... They both share the similarity in term of appearance: shaft length, smaller frame, string system, colors, shorter handle. i will go to sport shop and have a quick appearance comparing to confirm.

In term performance and materials used, i need to do more research on it. Maybe official website has the info.

Vibration: i don't feel much vibration with my Arc z. (Nanogy98 at 25lbs) I understand that Shaft stiffness, string tension, frame material and design, grip size and material do influence the feel vibration. I wish i could try edgesabre soon. Ever heard of Ashaway Arch Blade z smash?
 
nickspeed9900 said:
i think... They both share the similarity in term of appearance: shaft length, smaller frame, string system, colors, shorter handle. i will go to sport shop and have a quick appearance comparing to confirm.

In term performance and materials used, i need to do more research on it. Maybe official website has the info.

Vibration: i don't feel much vibration with my Arc z. (Nanogy98 at 25lbs) I understand that Shaft stiffness, string tension, frame material and design, grip size and material do influence the feel vibration. I wish i could try edgesabre soon. Ever heard of Ashaway Arch Blade z smash?
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hey :)
as for the appearence, im shure theres not much of a difference , well its a clone xD cept with an "a" logo on it (A)
but the performance is what im worried about :S
newaes hope to hear from you if u plan to get/try the es z spark/slayer :)
and nopes never heard of Ashaway Arch Blade z smash, thou im shure its the same kinda thing as apacs es z spark.
..as for clone rackets of yy, i like to stick with apacs :)
thats just imo thou
 
xSeasonx said:
mhmm its head heavy . and @ 88 grams i fink r something like tht..
so can i cope with the es z if im used to the lethal 70 0.o
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i can control z slash (even balance, slightly head heavy) and nanospeed 9900 (head light). It's been a long time i haven't use a head heavy balance racket, and by chance i tried it last night for few minutes.As a result, it worn me out and made me so so so tired hahahaha i think my fast swing techniques are not suitable for head heavy racket. I should develop new technique for the head heavy smasher
 
^ lol thats nice ... no headheavy rackets :O :(
u made me lol @ "i tried it last night for few minutes.As a result, it worn me out and made me so so so tired"
i dont think the es slash will fit my style then since i use quite a head heavy n stif racket. 0.0
 
xSeasonx said:
^ lol thats nice ... no headheavy rackets :O :(
u made me lol @ "i tried it last night for few minutes.As a result, it worn me out and made me so so so tired"
i dont think the es slash will fit my style then since i use quite a head heavy n stif racket. 0.0
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haha maybe i've trained my footwork too much that's why i'm so tired. Haha i shouldn't use the word "tired", should say i'm "lack of stamina".Haha will improve my stamina too.I do all weight liftings, jogging, sit ups haha i used to have a weight of 100kg+. In one year i did intensive exercises, lost all the excessive weight and build sexy muscles haha. Nowadays i step up my target and learn badminton seriously ^^'

I did google search on Apacs badminton, it's Malaysian made right? What about Lethal 70? Malaysian made too? I did quality check for Apacs rackets in the shops haha. Good quality products.

Btw i was originally from LCW hometown (Penang) but now i live in oversea and got a PR status here. ^^
 
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