2016 TOTAL BWF TUC Finals - Day 8 (22nd May) : THOMAS Cup FINAL

Jonc108 said:
the last MS was a disappointment from a spectator's point of view... too one sided... no climax... the last 10 points like garbage time in NBA... what a pity...
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Not if you're a Vittinghus fan like me, :).

Being the shortest Danish singles player (at 180 cm), he is the only one who plays with anything close to the footwork and mobility (including the "dives") I so enjoy seeing in the shorter (usually Asian) players like LD and LCW.

I enjoy watching him even when he loses-- cos he just keeps running/moving all over the court!
 
Forestal said:
NEWS UPDATE: Long long ago, positioning strategies resulted in easy victories and less exciting/fair competitions-- so the Thomas/Uber Cup rules have been changed to require that world ranking of 1st singles fielded must be higher than the 2nd, which must be higher than the 3rd; and 1st doubles fielded must be higher than the second.

Now the positioning strategies mainly revolved breaking up established doubles with higher rankings so that they can be fielded as 2nd doubles with lower rankings-- but this is a high-risk strategy which actually does make the competition more exciting/entertaining (& is still pretty fair).
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He he he what CLELY meant is why the CHN team didn't field LD as MS1, THW MS2 & QB MS3... well, as a hindsight this is somewhat an idea :D they just didn't get the tarot cards' reading in time :p:D
 
lee00 said:
Hehe what one got to do is wipe LYB's arse to be his golden boy
Well, ignore me
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Easy, just be a pushover like Chen Long and agree with everything he says...

He's more camera-friendly now, but Li Yongbo barked like a hooligan when he was still coaching at the sidelines...
 
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pcll99 said:
i think this is why Chen Long lost.

1. He knows he will go to Rio no matter what.
2. He knows he will take Lin Dan's place after Rio no matter what.
3. His coaches know or think he cannot be better than LD or LCW.
4. His coaches have never tried to train Chen Long to be better than Lin Dan because training someone to win an Olympic gold medal will take a whole lot more resources than winning a silver or bronze medal.

BUT, it is possible that Chen Long can defeat Lin Dan in Rio, just like LXR defeating WYH in London.
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............. 5. SWH played the match of his life at the right place and the right time.

No point crying over spilled milk ( not referring to you). China had lost the Swaythling and Corbillon cups in Table Tennis before. They managed to bounce back to dominate. The same will happen in Badminton, rest assured.
 
kelana said:
He he he what CLELY meant is why the CHN team didn't field LD as MS1, THW MS2 & QB MS3... well, as a hindsight this is somewhat an idea :D they just didn't get the tarot cards' reading in time :p:D
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Oh I see-- I apologise for thinking just like Li Yongbo, too stuck up with my own ideas to assess reality properly....:p:rolleyes:
 
tbgoh288 said:
............. 5. SWH played the match of his life at the right place and the right time.

No point crying over spilled milk ( not referring to you). China had lost the Swaythling and Corbillon cups in Table Tennis before. They managed to bounce back to dominate. The same will happen in Badminton, rest assured.
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Again, Team China? Yes.

Team Li Yongbo? No, what some of you guys are forgetting is that Li Yongbo basically "drove out" anyone who disagreed with him (after the pivotal "failed petition" by dissenting coaches) in rising/retaining the position of head coach-- that's why the badminton being played by the players he "discovered/coached" is so monochromatic.

LD, FHF, CY, etc. were actually "discovered/coached" under a different coach/system, before Li Yongbo consolidated his position of head coach
 
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tbgoh288 said:
............. 5. SWH played the match of his life at the right place and the right time.

No point crying over spilled milk ( not referring to you). China had lost the Swaythling and Corbillon cups in Table Tennis before. They managed to bounce back to dominate. The same will happen in Badminton, rest assured.
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Their women's volleyball team also faced the same ordeal, at the lowest point they're even crushed by the Japanese team in the QF of 2012 London OG. Then they hired back Lang Ping as the head coach in 2013 and rebuilt the team. Today you see a very strong team consists of many young players, with still increasing performances towards their golden times in 1980s and 1990s.
 
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CLELY said:
Talking about CHN-KOR duel, why China didn't put Lin Dan as first singles to face Son Wan Ho?! It's a big risk to field the shaky Chen Long who did two blunders in 2014, this man has no self-belief as leading role in team event.
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There s no guarantee LD will not lose to SWH. SWH has defeated LD before and SWH also has the advantage of an extra day s rest. Being fresher makes a big difference when the match is close.
 
Strange that folks here talked only about CL but why not mentioned the silly act of Fu HF to do the flick serve at 20-18 G2... betting his luck against the odds of the mighty, unchallengeable service fault call? For me that's a very silly act!
 
nokh88 said:
Can Denmark field HKVas both 3rd singles and 2nd doubles? If yes, then the order of play will be MS1, MD1 MS2, Ms3 and MD2. It would be over by the 4th match.
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No, then the order will be MS1, MS2, MS3, MD1, MD2-- they will schedule MD2 last to give MS3 (doubling in MD2) time to rest-- so itt will be over by the 3rd match, LOL!

Potentially genius plan, but I'm not sure if you want to put THAT much pressure on VA as MS1; and fielding JOJ as MS2 was already a risk since he is recovering and injury-prone (they have already given up MD1 by fielding a recovering Kolding).

Personally, I thought INA doomed their MS by not sending JC as MS2-- he has more competition experience and can execute a counter-strategy against JOJ, provided the INA coaches had one....JOJ is not a rapidly developing player like VA, and more than a few players have found ways to defeat him.

But I'm getting the vibe that INA has a lack of talented MS coaches as well as players?
 
fantastic4 said:
sorry to disagree with you. I saw SDK was having a good and stable play throughout the Singapore Open. With that kind of mentality and skills, I believe he will be very valuable to be fielded as 3rd single.
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Agree with you. Sony is really difficult to play; ask Peter Gade. Rexy always likes new brooms. In top team tournaments, the MS3 is the most frightening situation, it s either hero or zero. Cool headed, proven experience usually prevails over youth. But Ihsan has done well; he s the coolest among the 3 youngsters.
But I m so glad Denmark won. First time European champions defeat Asian champions?
 
kelana said:
Strange that folks here talked only about CL but why not mentioned the silly act of Fu HF to do the flick serve at 20-18 G2... betting his luck against the odds of the mighty, unchallengeable service fault call? For me that's a very silly act!
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That was one bad service decision; CL played two bad GAMES-- if you didn't see it, the Chinese crowd gave FHF a standing ovation when he lost.

Stop trying to whitewash the issue, CL's failure as MS1 in team competition has already set some kind of record in badminton history (most times fielded and lost to lower rank player).

Now, every commendation of the achievements of the teams on the podium (even Malaysia) serves as a criticism of Team China and its management
 
Forestal said:
...Personally, I thought INA doomed their MS by not sending JC as MS2-- he has more competition experience and can execute a counter-strategy against JOJ, provided the INA coaches had one....JOJ is not a rapidly developing player like VA, and more than a few players have found ways to defeat him....
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I also much wonder why INA team didn't field JC as MS2 thus Ginting as MS3... Maulana was so helpless today.
 
kelana said:
Strange that folks here talked only about CL but why not mentioned the silly act of Fu HF to do the flick serve at 20-18 G2... betting his luck against the odds of the mighty, unchallengeable service fault call? For me that's a very silly act!
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C'mon CL is WR1, on paper he shoulda coulda tamed SWH.
And for Fu HF.. his silly acts forgivable
 
pjswift said:
Agree with you. Sony is really difficult to play; ask Peter Gade. Rexy always likes new brooms. In top team tournaments, the MS3 is the most frightening situation, it s either hero or zero. Cool headed, proven experience usually prevails over youth. But Ihsan has done well; he s the coolest among the 3 youngsters.
But I m so glad Denmark won. First time European champions defeat Asian champions?
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Both Denmark and INA have very reasonable lines-up for the Thomas Cup:

Denmark has 3 MS players in the top 16-- of course, you send them all and hope for the best.

INA has no real edge in MS at all (vs Denmark, CHN, even Malaysia)-- so they took a development approach and sent a bunch of youngsters. Tommy Sugiarto was sent more as a some kind of mentor than anything else; keep sending all your veterans for the slighest chance of winning and the next thing, you know you have a generation gap like CHN.... and INA already has had a very looooong generation gap.

Malaysia probably had the toughest MS decisions to make-- of course, you send LCW to give yourself a chance, and then?
 
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