2016 Rio Olympic Games : Day-10 (20th August) - MS Bronze and Gold Medal Match

Rob3rt said:
That's correct. If I recall it correctly she was asked in an interview at the German Open, why she always screams so loud, after each rally. And she said it's because she wants to let her opponent know that she's here to beat her.
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It's widely known that she's doing it for the purpose of playing mind games and to intimidate her opponents. Something she admitted herself.

Such a shame for a talented player like her to even second guessing an opponent even accusing them of trying to fake injuries as strategies to take the victory away from her. Superb talent and skill, but attitude and integrity is crap.
 
pjswift said:
But he s obviously Chinese. Many older overseas Chinese regards China as their Motherland. So to them, regardless of reality, China is always the greatest, the most honorable, beyond reproach, you name it..
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That's understandable from a country consisting of 80% Chinese. Most Singaporeans I know at least speak other Chinese dialects and Mandarin other than English. If their grandfather or grandmother were born from the mainland and carry with them a lot of culture like Lunar New Year, food, festivals, music, folklore like Journey to the West, etc the influence would be very obvious and they would have a fond memory of their childhood and preference of Chinese culture something still widely seen on my visits to Singapore. This is usually passed on to generations, even though fading, so even the third or fourth generations would still be very capable of speaking their local dialects with families with close ties, something that should be preserved if possible.
 
all, BC is an international forum, as you can see, we have members from all over the world. some are fans of Chinese team, some are fans of Indonesia, some are partial towards Europeans, some are towards Malaysian, Japanese, Koreans, you name it. Everyone, no matter what they claim, have a little bias to certain players, that's just the way humans are and that's what makes us humans. Be it because of differences and preferences in culture, background, experience, moral grounds, whatever.

This is what makes BC interesting, as we have all these different viewpoints/biases. but what's most important though is to be able to learn from others, accept and respect each other's preference and bias. And then discuss badminton in a civil manner, in harmony. That to me, is the most important thing.
 
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Remember LOG'12, Sayaka Sato was injured and her opponent Tine Baun showed concern and went over to console her? Was Tine acting like a bully, her actions reeked of hypocrisy as Sato who was distraught and in unbearable pain didn't need her 'love' ?

Just compare Tine's reactions with Marin's.

Folks, please stop comparing Marin to Lin Dan, stop mentioning Marin's name with Lin Dan's in the same breath, don't lump them together, she is not fit.

Marin is at most the John McEnroe of badminton, if you like. Marin's badminton is one thing, her behaviour another.
 
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Also Lin Dan at the 2013 WC, aside from showing LCW concern and all that, never once hinted the slightest that LCW could be faking leg cramp as a strategy, buying time, breaking his opponent's rhythm,etc, even though LCW's medical attention took quite a while, not just once, and LCW even made an attempt to carry on before giving up.
 
At the 2013 WC it was much more dramatic. It was third game and LD and LCW were getting close to 21, both neck-to-neck. Unfortunately, the WS semi in Rio was more of a one-sided affair.
 
I've only had time to watch the LCW/CL match today, but after hearing the result at the time I couldn't bare to watch the whole thing.
You may have heard "No one remembers second place", but for Lee Chong Wei, it is impossible to forget his legacy.
Maximum respect to Chen Long who deserved his win just as much as Chong Wei, but ultimately proved to be superior on the day.

Whether you regard Lin Dan, Lee Chong Wei or even Chen Long in a few years time as the best player to grace the game, I think you'll agree that we are lucky to be able to watch these talents compete in the same era.

 
When LCW is injured, he really is. He never throws games or similar etc. Can't say the same for many China players, and perhaps that's why there's a perspective of "faking" something. It's the Chinese/Asian culture though - just watch DBZ - no one ever shows their true power/potential unless they "need" to etc hehe.

By the way, I actually think LCW will be remembered more because he never won a major, but reached the finals 7 times - he's an anomaly. As I said in another thread, I don't think there's anything more anomalous in sport than LCW's failed attempts (being number 1 for so many years, dominating every other individual tournament etc, but can't win a single major etc) - I challenged someone to give an example that trumps this anomaly, but so far, no one has - if anyone can think of another example, I'd be very interested and would stand corrected etc. Jimmy White is the only example I can think of, but some people wouldn't call Snooker a sport hehe, and he only reached 6 finals.
 
In France we call this sort "Poulidor", for Raymond Poulidor, 3 times second and 5 times third on the tour de France. He is the record holder for the number of stages won, but somehow always loosing (by small margin) at the end to Anquetil first, to Merckx after (he had a very long career.) He was always more popular then his victorious opponents.
 
Marin's behavior is rather mild compared to LD's. There are more reports on LD's behavior after 2008 if you care to google.

Sports
Meet the bad boy of badminton
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/sports/13iht-OLYBAD.1.15234414.html?_r=0

By GREG BISHOP
AUG. 13, 2008

BEIJING — Badminton's bad boy emerged from the tunnel, his hair arranged in the usual male-model spikes. Immediately the chants started.

Lin Dan! China! Lin Dan! China!

A group of teenage girls screamed from the front row. Someone asked why they loved Lin, the world's best badminton player, and also its most controversial, its most famous and its most temperamental.

They could hardly answer between giggles.

"He's very handsome," one said.

"He's very colorful," another added.

"He's most charming," a third chimed in.

Truth is, Lin is all those things to the crazy badminton fans in this badminton-crazy country. He is an athlete, a celebrity and a soldier in the People's Liberation Army. He stars in commercials. He does high-fashion photo shoots. He writes his own blog. He ranks, according to Chinese journalists who cover him, in the top 10 of the country's most famous athletes.

"He's very good, very energetic," said Liang Jinxiong, who works for Xinhua, the state-run news agency, and has covered badminton for 20 years. "Also, he is a handsome boy, and many girls love him. The main point is that he has the power. He can show everyone what badminton is.

Popular in much of Asia, badminton is a national obsession in China, a sport that trails only basketball, soccer and table tennis in popularity. Children smack shuttlecocks outside of towering apartment complexes, no net necessary. Adults play the sport in parks

Despite all the history, despite all the national heroes of generations past, the Chinese have never known a badminton artist like the one nicknamed Super Dan.
  • Among U.S. athletes, Lin has been compared to one tennis great, John McEnroe, for his temper; to another, Jimmy Connors, for his relationship with a badminton beauty, Xie Xingfang; and even to the former NBA player Latrell Sprewell after being accused of punching his coach.

    "He's more like Kobe Bryant," said Bob Malaythong, a Laotian-born U.S. badminton doubles player. "He's pretty cocky, pretty arrogant, but he thrives on that, he needs that. That makes him the one who's favored here."

    Like Bryant, Lin dominates the competition. Ranked No. 1 in the world for all but a few weeks since 2004, the list of his top-three tournament finishes runs for more than a full page.

    Like Bryant, some of his peers consider Lin petulant and aloof. The word arrogant trails Lin like his long list of accomplishments, a cloud over another otherwise superstar-type résumé. Fans even called for his dismissal from the Olympic team after the latest blow-up.

    Allegedly, it happened back in April. Journalists reported they saw Lin punch his coach, Ji Xinpeng, in the face. Lin denied this on his blog.

    YouTube clips show Lin kicking his racket at a tournament in Malaysia and ripping off a silver medal in anger at an award ceremony.

    Then there was the tournament in January, where Lin argued with the line judge, before exchanging words with, and throwing his racket in the general direction of, a South Korean coach. Lin told reporters the coach provoked the McEnroe-esque episode.

    Lin's off-court life only adds to the intrigue. The Chinese news media call Lin, 24, and his girlfriend Xie, 27, "The Condor Couple," after the characters in a Chinese novel who are described as "an impetuous young warrior and his calm older lover."

    Both played early-round matches Monday, and in a twist more fit for the narrative of a novel, both played on adjacent courts and both won within five seconds of each other. More than 20 Chinese journalists gathered in the mixed zone, waiting three rows deep.

    The first couple of badminton did not hug, or speak, or even glance in each other's general direction. Instead, Lin walked through the mixed zone, head held high, the bounce noticeable in his step.

    "He's got a little swagger to him," said Raju Rai, the top U.S. badminton singles player. "Maybe some people don't like it as much, but he backs it up with his play, so what can you say about it? And he draws attention to the sport."

    Added Malaythong: "Almost like a soap opera."

    Almost lost in all the hubbub are Lin's considerable badminton skills. By the time he retires, he will rank among best players of all time - and one with an unusually varied skill set.

    In fact, the three U.S. badminton Olympians each gave a different answer when asked what made Lin special. Malaythong called Lin "the attack master," a player whose smashes always seemed to find the outside of the line. Malaythong's partner, Howard Bach, said Lin ranked among the fastest and most fit of players on the tour. Rai pointed to Lin's speed and precision.

    Jinxiong, the reporter, went with athletic ability.

    "He's definitely very aggressive," said Kevin Han, a Chinese native who moved to New York at 17 and is generally recognized as the best U.S. player ever. "He has a strong willingness to dominate matches. He's won pretty much everything you can win except for an Olympic Games. He also has very good style."

    For all that Lin has won, there remains one title that he has not: Olympic gold. At the Athens Games, in 2004, Lin flamed out in the first round, a defeat he acknowledged as embarrassing.

    Now, Lin finds himself at home, with all the fans and the pressure that placement brings. But the man who put the bad in badminton, the Kobe Bryant of his sport, will relish the attention.

    "I don't think he would want it any other way," Rai said.

    A version of this article appears in print on August 13, 2008, in The International Herald Tribune.
 
ssj100 said:
When LCW is injured, he really is. He never throws games or similar etc. Can't say the same for many China players, and perhaps that's why there's a perspective of "faking" something. It's the Chinese/Asian culture though - just watch DBZ - no one ever shows their true power/potential unless they "need" to etc hehe.

By the way, I actually think LCW will be remembered more because he never won a major, but reached the finals 7 times - he's an anomaly. As I said in another thread, I don't think there's anything more anomalous in sport than LCW's failed attempts (being number 1 for so many years, dominating every other individual tournament etc, but can't win a single major etc) - I challenged someone to give an example that trumps this anomaly, but so far, no one has - if anyone can think of another example, I'd be very interested and would stand corrected etc. Jimmy White is the only example I can think of, but some people wouldn't call Snooker a sport hehe, and he only reached 6 finals.
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Can't say the same for CHN players, eh ? How do you know, just because your new-found idol , the spoilt brat and bad girl of badminton, says so it must be so? Anyway, I seldom if ever take your words seriously.

No doubt, LCW despite all his near misses is one of the all time greats. It's just his misfortune first to be born in Lin Dan's era and then when things started to look up for him only to have Chen Long emerging to claim his throne and reign supreme.
 
That's written in 2008 and reflected some of the views held then, and such similar articles are easily and widely available on the web when you google or search for it - it's not as if somebody has unearthed a hidden secret exposing a shocking revelation the world never thought existed.

It'll be more interesting and relevant to know what those same guys would have said of Lin Dan now as well as their reactions to Marin's court antics and image.

Never mind, why bother. The great majority of us can see Lin Dan for what he is at present, esp after LOG'12. I'm pretty sure all along Lin Dan's parents and wife , his grandmother and Tang Xianhu know what kind of person he really is at heart otherwise, they would all have disapproved of him, and Xie Xingfang would never accept his love, let alone marry him.

Heard of Muhammad Ali's " It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am"? Yet Lin Dan, The GOAT, is as humble as one could be for someone in his shoes ,the more so as he grows older. I repeat, that, to me, is humility born of true greatness.
 
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Loh said:
Marin's behavior is rather mild compared to LD's. There are more reports on LD's behavior after 2008 if you care to google.

Sports
Meet the bad boy of badminton
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/sports/13iht-OLYBAD.1.15234414.html?_r=0

By GREG BISHOP
AUG. 13, 2008

BEIJING — Badminton's bad boy emerged from the tunnel, his hair arranged in the usual male-model spikes. Immediately the chants started.

Lin Dan! China! Lin Dan! China!

A group of teenage girls screamed from the front row. Someone asked why they loved Lin, the world's best badminton player, and also its most controversial, its most famous and its most temperamental.

They could hardly answer between giggles.

"He's very handsome," one said.

"He's very colorful," another added.

"He's most charming," a third chimed in.

Truth is, Lin is all those things to the crazy badminton fans in this badminton-crazy country. He is an athlete, a celebrity and a soldier in the People's Liberation Army. He stars in commercials. He does high-fashion photo shoots. He writes his own blog. He ranks, according to Chinese journalists who cover him, in the top 10 of the country's most famous athletes.

"He's very good, very energetic," said Liang Jinxiong, who works for Xinhua, the state-run news agency, and has covered badminton for 20 years. "Also, he is a handsome boy, and many girls love him. The main point is that he has the power. He can show everyone what badminton is.

Popular in much of Asia, badminton is a national obsession in China, a sport that trails only basketball, soccer and table tennis in popularity. Children smack shuttlecocks outside of towering apartment complexes, no net necessary. Adults play the sport in parks

Despite all the history, despite all the national heroes of generations past, the Chinese have never known a badminton artist like the one nicknamed Super Dan.
  • Among U.S. athletes, Lin has been compared to one tennis great, John McEnroe, for his temper; to another, Jimmy Connors, for his relationship with a badminton beauty, Xie Xingfang; and even to the former NBA player Latrell Sprewell after being accused of punching his coach.

    "He's more like Kobe Bryant," said Bob Malaythong, a Laotian-born U.S. badminton doubles player. "He's pretty cocky, pretty arrogant, but he thrives on that, he needs that. That makes him the one who's favored here."

    Like Bryant, Lin dominates the competition. Ranked No. 1 in the world for all but a few weeks since 2004, the list of his top-three tournament finishes runs for more than a full page.

    Like Bryant, some of his peers consider Lin petulant and aloof. The word arrogant trails Lin like his long list of accomplishments, a cloud over another otherwise superstar-type résumé. Fans even called for his dismissal from the Olympic team after the latest blow-up.

    Allegedly, it happened back in April. Journalists reported they saw Lin punch his coach, Ji Xinpeng, in the face. Lin denied this on his blog.

    YouTube clips show Lin kicking his racket at a tournament in Malaysia and ripping off a silver medal in anger at an award ceremony.

    Then there was the tournament in January, where Lin argued with the line judge, before exchanging words with, and throwing his racket in the general direction of, a South Korean coach. Lin told reporters the coach provoked the McEnroe-esque episode.

    Lin's off-court life only adds to the intrigue. The Chinese news media call Lin, 24, and his girlfriend Xie, 27, "The Condor Couple," after the characters in a Chinese novel who are described as "an impetuous young warrior and his calm older lover."

    Both played early-round matches Monday, and in a twist more fit for the narrative of a novel, both played on adjacent courts and both won within five seconds of each other. More than 20 Chinese journalists gathered in the mixed zone, waiting three rows deep.

    The first couple of badminton did not hug, or speak, or even glance in each other's general direction. Instead, Lin walked through the mixed zone, head held high, the bounce noticeable in his step.

    "He's got a little swagger to him," said Raju Rai, the top U.S. badminton singles player. "Maybe some people don't like it as much, but he backs it up with his play, so what can you say about it? And he draws attention to the sport."

    Added Malaythong: "Almost like a soap opera."

    Almost lost in all the hubbub are Lin's considerable badminton skills. By the time he retires, he will rank among best players of all time - and one with an unusually varied skill set.

    In fact, the three U.S. badminton Olympians each gave a different answer when asked what made Lin special. Malaythong called Lin "the attack master," a player whose smashes always seemed to find the outside of the line. Malaythong's partner, Howard Bach, said Lin ranked among the fastest and most fit of players on the tour. Rai pointed to Lin's speed and precision.

    Jinxiong, the reporter, went with athletic ability.

    "He's definitely very aggressive," said Kevin Han, a Chinese native who moved to New York at 17 and is generally recognized as the best U.S. player ever. "He has a strong willingness to dominate matches. He's won pretty much everything you can win except for an Olympic Games. He also has very good style."

    For all that Lin has won, there remains one title that he has not: Olympic gold. At the Athens Games, in 2004, Lin flamed out in the first round, a defeat he acknowledged as embarrassing.

    Now, Lin finds himself at home, with all the fans and the pressure that placement brings. But the man who put the bad in badminton, the Kobe Bryant of his sport, will relish the attention.

    "I don't think he would want it any other way," Rai said.

    A version of this article appears in print on August 13, 2008, in The International Herald Tribune.
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I urge the mods to apply same standards to every member. Digging up nonsense and posting it irrelevantly could really harm the forum.
 
C'mon guys, that article was old but only the middle 2 paragraps or three painted LD in a bad light, even though it was factual. And the remaining 80% of it had highly respected and glowing opinions of him by other US players.

And even then it was relevant to topic as McEnroe was brought up in comparison to Marin re behaviour.
 
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