Yonex Mavis 300 or 350?

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  1. cooler

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    F1 semi-automatic = 99% automatic + 1% manual.
    is that ok?:p Actually i preferred push button semi automatic myself because 100% automatic by computer can not foresee or compensate for ALL driving situation, it need some human feedback, like knowing when to flip u or down gearing shifting LOL. Just like me in badminton, i don't play feather 100% of the time, i do some manual shifting, oops i mean plastic playing sometime to keep me sharp;)
     
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    yep, F-90 is very expensive too. Each feather shuttle must come for 2 feathers from the left wing of certain species of geese and the cork is of selectively picked. Each F-90 shuttle might last 4 rallies (pro level), let alone 4 games:D
     
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    Feather experience = priceless ;) & real enlightment

     
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    Maybe You are confusing "skill" with "unpredictability" ??.. badminton is meant to be a game of skill, where you strive for consistancy in racket, strings and shuttles. Cutting one of the strings will also make the resulting shots more "unpredictable".. But just because coin-tossing is more unpredicatble than chess, doesn't make coin tossing demanding more skills than chess...(its rather the opposite, games of skill usually relies heavily on predictability of cause and effect)

    A good shuttle should behave in a predictable and consistent manner.. a bad one will behave more random and not consistent..

    /Twobeer
     
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    no argument here;) feathers do feel nicer than plastic on impact.
    But as i have said before, i play badminton for the overall experience, not just to absorb the smashing feel and sound of a shuttle;)
     
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    Why would a 800m runner strive to be a good running 400m in rubber-boots?? when there are good spike-shoes available that are just perfect for running on tracks... that is the real question...

    /Twobeer
     
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    no, it depend on what is the sanctioned equips for track runners. If there good money for sanctioned rubber boots races, i'm sure there are dedicated runners switching to rubber boots training.
     
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    agreed,

    but sanctioned events for rubberboot races are higly unlikely as the cost savings hardly justifies the inferior properties for track&field running that rubber-boots presents over spiked-shoes.

    Same with plastics in badminton. It is highly unlikely we will se a tournament with top-10 world-class players using plastic shuttles of todays standard, as the cost savings does not offset the poor flight characeristics of the current plastic alternatives.

    /T
     
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    *sigh*
    u use a poor example. U see, coin tossing is not a big money game so no one trained to be a good coin tosser. Actually coin tossing is quite predictiable, probability of outcome is 50/50, maybe another reason why it is not popular because it is not skill demanding, no interest, it's too predictable.

    However, if u look at a casino full of game of chance with higher unpredictability, there are professional Blackjack, poker, etc players who does practice, train and play seriously. If these required no skills, then there shouldn't be any pros.

    I can't say much on chess other than it lost interest to the video game generation and gone are the sponsorship and prize money. Maybe also because chess is too predictable hehe. Now even a non-chess guru unviersity programmer student can write a program to beat most top pro chess player. Like coin tossing, chess is too predictable, ---> lost interest.
     
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    Somehow the actual question asked for this thread has gone out of control
     
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    i noticed u didn't say 'never'.;)
     
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    ROFLOL.....that's is an understatement of the week;)
     
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    no, no.. it's just a very...very...very.. eloborate answer why the difference between Mavis 300 and 350 are negligable :)

    /Twobeer
     
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    The only difference i know between 300 and 350 is that 350 holes on the plastic are bigger compared to 300.
     
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    Twobeer having an extremely long drawn out arguement with cooler, in the shuttlecocks board, but not posting in the thread about favourite beer? What's wrong with this place :eek::eek::eek:
     
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    zen of plastic playing

    twobear, let me now introduce to u to a new concept which u might already know but i dunno how much u know but i do know that u might know some degree of this concept:D (see? me trying to predict an unknown;))

    The Chaos Theory - art of predicting or seeing order in a random or so seemingly an unpredictable system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

    Yes, now we all agreed that plastic shuttle impact response is more unpredictable than a feather shuttle. HOWEVER, an experienced plastic player can predict or have a good feel or a prediction of the likely response of the plastic shuttle. This is what pisses feather shuttle players off, they lack this predictive abilty from the unpredictive nature of plastic shuttle. Therefore, to have an ability to predict or narrowing down the possible plastic shuttle impact response in micro to milliseconds, a plastic player possess an unique skills that hardcore feather players lacking or even apprecate. Just because those feather players don't have this ability does not excluded such skill's existence.


    On another hand, I had talked alot about feather inconsistency related to its flight (due to brands, grades, and rate of deterioration of feather shuttle). As a feather being worn down during the game, its feather degrade or go partly missing making its flight predictiveness hard to predict. This is what pisses me off because once the feather shuttle leave the stringbed, I CAN NOT CONTROL ITS UNPREDICTIVE flight where as at least i can control a bit on the harder to predict plastic shuttle during impact from my chaos playing experience. Because plastic degrade much much more slower than a feather, the predictability of its flight quality is very high. Of course, if one change feather shuttle after every rally and u r using the same brand, same grade, and even same batch sometime, this would eliminate the inconsistency that i was talking about. Also, if u change feather shuttle frequency, no steaming required which would reduce the unpredictive flight of the feather shuttles.
     
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    typo

    It's twobeer. Sorry.
    No malice intended.
     
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    That is interesting. I wonder why? Also do both have the same number of holes?
     
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    Probably to make it heavier and less air resistance.
     
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