As it stands right now, I would say that LD will always win when he puts his mind to it. LCW has improved leaps and bounds since Beijing Olympics. LD's margin over LCW is razor thin or almost non-existent. But, we saw what happened in the last few points. LD power-smashed to save two match points and LCW hit into the net to set up and lose the deciding match point. That's not just skill, but also mind-set.
To LCW's credit, unlike LD's frequent indifference, LCW always puts his mind into a match. That's why he is a deserving No 1 ranked player.
Luck? Lcw should not believe he needs luck, as a figure of speech maybe. If he does, what happens when his opponent is lucky at the crucial stage? Our mind is wonderful, it will start to rewind, replay those lucky/unlucky shots earlier Lcw face expression throughout the match tells us so In recent wc, he could not control and bring his focus back, that's why ld serve more than him
Working harder is certainly not enough. Or else Cheng Shao Chieh would be No 1 WS. Both LCW and LD are capable of winning a lot of tournaments. But only LCW actually applied himself to win them. That's the difference.
LD has played 8-tournaments 2011 and won 4. He w.o-ed, due to stomach problems, it is up to you/me to beleive wheater he felt ill or was just "lazy". LD has this year won a) the biggest prize-money tournament ever, Korean Open b) The Asian Championship title, and of course c) the world championship title this year.. LCW has played 7 tournaments this year. He w.o-ed from German Open (laziness to save himeslf for the ollowing enlangsd superseries? ). So I am not sure if it is clear that LCW appliies himself more.. Presonally I just think LD wants to avoid meeting LCW, as there is no advantage for LD assisting LCW with the opportuinity for him find out and try out a working playing strategy against LD in matchplay.
There is a huge difference between showing up and showing with your heart. Check the world rankings. LD played 13 events, missed semi-finals 4 times, and got 84,066 points. LCW played 11 events, finished either 1st or 2nd in all (except for Sudirman Cup of course), and got 98,997 points. Now, LD did do better in 2011. At the current rate, he may well regain the No. 1 Ranking. We all know that No. 1 player is not necessarily the best player. LD found out himself at the 2004 Olympics. LCW became No 1 after being flatten at the 2008 Olympics, in a bit of black humor. Nevertheless, LCW's great effort in achieving the No 1 ranking should be recognized.
The ranking system to begin with is rather poorly constructed, imop, and frankly I do not think LD cares much at all about the No.1. BWF ranking.
So as a fan, you re proud that LD does not actually apply himself to win titles? You re proud that he just turns up to play to satisfy BWF ruling. And LD wants to be an ambassador by playing half heartedly?
LD s job is to help CJ get into the top 4 so CJ can qualify for OG12 and then CJ can help him win OG12 in return like in OG08.
WC, Olympics and the Asian games are considered widely as the most prestigious championship amoung all of the current badminton tournaments held by BWF. Like the current SS and PS that are being held every year ( except for Olympics and Asian games that are held verey 4 years), WC is also held every year as BWF wants to give an opportunities to all world class players to be a world champion. Why Dato' can't capture the WC title in any of his WC participation require a deep retrospective analysis. Generally, his ability to win is still at the highest level or otherwise he would not capture 6 out the 7 SS he participated this year. He has also a healthy 2011 record - loss of 45 - 2 in which the only 2 losses he had was only against his greatest nemesis that is Super LD ( correct me if i'm wrong). If we analyse his career record of 378 - 85 win and loss, he still has a + 293 or 293/378 x 100% = 78% positive outcome. This high percentage of winning hugely comes from his excellent results in all of his SS / PS participation. However, when we analyse his overall WC participation only, this will be his win and loss statistic : 2005 ( W- L ) : 4 - 1, SF loss to TH 2006 (W - L) : 2 - 1, QF loss to BCL 2007 (W-L) : 1 -1, R3 loss to SDK 2009 (W-L): 3 - 1: QF loss to SDK 2010 (w-L): 3-1: QF loss to TH 2011 (w-L): 5-1: Loss to LD in the final Total W-L : 18-6, Outcome : + 12 or 12/18 x 100 = 67% If we substract his WC participation from his career W-L, W (378-18=360), L (85-6 = 79) his outcome without his WC participation results is still (360 - 79) =281/360 x 100% = 78%. If i'm a performance director, clearly i would summarize that Dato' LCW genarall performance in all his WC participation is not as excellent as he did in a non WC entry.The only positive outcome from his latest WC participation is that, he has progress further than any of his previous entry but even in his best ever WC performance , it is still not good enough to beat LD. In general, the overall results that he achieved in all of his SS/PS entry are very consistent while his WC entry yield an inconsistency results. In a same way, he can't deliver a title in a major event similarly like what he did in his SS/PS entry. This "major event" inconsistency results is a hiccup that Dato' needs to overcome and turn it into a "speciality", as what he did now, that is a SS/PS specialist or king of the SS/PS like what Gillian always refers to him. I always beleive that he still has the perfect package as a winning player in any event he participate but transforming that into a consistent winning result when it matters in a major event is where the hiccup occurs. This transformation inconsistency does not occur because of how he plays against any possible player that can becomes a visible threat to him in a major events but possibly because: Outside factor: Super huge expectation from the Malaysia citizen and Datuk Najib that his mind set needs to carry. Far more heavier now as to compare to his earlier WC participation. The Olympics will be bigger as it is a 4 yearly event since the next one will only be in 2016. Inside factor: Similarly how we and Dato' beleives that he can most likely deliver a title in any SS/PS entry, he needs also to beleive that he can also deliver similarly in any major event.
Do you have a better system to introduced? I mean a system that is perfect in all corners unlike what you people have criticized the BWF's one... and do you even realize that this "flawed" system applies to everyone and not only LCW so its back to square one at the end of the day. Frankly, I hope to see LD and LCW participates in the same tournaments for the whole 12 months calendar (without those w/o of course) and let see what happen. Only if LD and CBA dare and don't tell me s*** like SS and world ranking is no more their priority as the real intention in avoiding LCW was what you highlighted in your post #26 which I fully agreed. Only when that happen we can come to conclusion as now is the high time since both are at the peak of their careers.
It is of course not possible to construct a "perfect" rating system but the current system takes to little consideration in how strong a tournament is when awarding rating points. One suggestion would be to award points based on prize-money and average rating on players participating, instead of just classification of SS/GPG/GP etc. Maybe also giving extra ranking-points for beating higher ranked players to faster adjust for players moving up as well etc.. I think there is a number of tweaks and changes that could be done to improve BWF rating, but of course there will never be such a thing as a "perfect" rating system. But imop it is ridicilous to have 12000 points for becoming world champion and 11000 points for winning Denmark Open. it really does not reflect the importance of the tournament and effort players will make to win. It is also logical to award more points to Korea Premier SS imop as the prize money are huge and thus a bigger motivator for players. Just some examples, /T
Great effort mate and really appreciate the explanation. The thing why BWF awards the same amount of points for 5 star level tournament and above is to create a level playing field for all and especially to safeguard the interest of lesser players. For instance, if certain tourney or majors offer more ranking points compared to some other which are not don't you think that would be the target and tools for the good ones to pull ahead further from the rest thus giving them the opportunity to skip more lesser tournaments. If that happens, we will have lesser opportunities to see the already 'selective' LD or even LCW to certain extent where they already gained enough and have the luxury to skip more lesser tourneys. That is exactly what BWF and badminton fans like us doesn't want to see happen. Consistency is all the creation in the current ranking system. The point is the top player/players would still make the call if they wanted to if there is any significant advantage for them to tap on. Nevertheless, I agreed with your point where it should award more points for a lower ranked player whenever he beats someone ranked higher.
On the other hand the WC offers an unfair number of ranking points and is in fact easier to progress in than a super series. Players can get in as continental representation when they wouldn't get anywhere near a SS and wins in the first few rounds can be far easier than a SS for the seeds. Players who are in the top ten don't get to play WC due to limits on each country.
I don't think it is the right approach to try to use the ranking system as a tool to get players to attend "lesser" tournaments. Why should we encourage top players to attend lower-level tournaments? Shouldn't we encourage more high-level tournaments instead? If we want top-players like LCW and LD to attend I think we would like to find better incentives. Ideas could be to tie the result and active participation in many torunaments to how many players thier country is allowde to send to Olympics, WCs etc.. (That would create incentive for more "team"-oriented squads like China etc. than individual rating / seed that is basically the only incentive today.. Thinking in the lines to create incentives for "teams"/"nations" as well as for individual players). I agree that having the limit stops some strong players from WC, and there are some "easy draws" against small countries whos players would never qualify for an SS event (mainly this hurts Chineese players though), but still it is probably harder to reach the final 16 8 4 and so on, as it is one round more (starting at 64). and if you have low ranking you are likely to get drawn against strong players among the top 32-SS already in the first or round. And its a huge difference when players have planned to peak, and everyone giving it 100%, than SS events where some players may not have peaked or is in a build-up training cycle when playing the SS event. Anyway, sorry for the long rant
Again what you quoted earlier is a 180 degree turn with your current statement. Are you confuse or something? Do you even know where this conversation is heading?
WC for World Championship for World Countries That's why we see newbie or lower rank player in the first 2 rounds but it's good once in a while we see player like Kelvin All England should be mother of all tournaments
