Opinion and results of T.R.A TRI system

[phihag]

Hilarious!

Note that all the videos focus on how good his backhand clear is, instead of showing how good his students became after training with him.

When I want to improve my backhand clear/smash, I don't want to be taught by Taufik Hidayat. I'd rather be taught by the coach who taught Taufik Hidayat.

 

[darrengsaw]

Note that all the videos focus on how good his backhand clear is, instead of showing how good his students became after training with him.

When I want to improve my backhand clear/smash, I don't want to be taught by Taufik Hidayat. I'd rather be taught by the coach who taught him.

Very good point.

This guy is the embodiment of the Dunning Kruger effect.

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[DuckFeet]

Tried watching it, stopped halfway after the 20th drive from midcourt. Was expecting to see a ful court clear.

 

[swsh]

One thing is for sure tho, anyone with the intent to murder the shuttlecocks isn't coming to play with mine. Those things ain't cheap!

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[s_mair]

Guys, let's face the truth: That there are only midcourt drives in the clip must be the least of his problems. It's pretty obvious that he has got some far more serious issues somewhere behind his eyes. Looking at the way he presents himself, I am more and more sure that he personally believes that he truely has the best backhand in the world.

And if you ask me, there could be far more dangerous topics he could fixate his... well... 'illness' on. Blind folded chess, Mount Everest, plumbing, badminton backhand... let us all hope that he stays with more or less harmless topics like these in the future too. I somehow feel relieved to know that he is not living in my neighborhood.

 

[Charlie-SWUK]

Ok, I'm kind of bored of this, so here's a full breakdown of his technique.

red arrows are static green arrows are motion arrows are direction



Stroke preparation includes the racket coming across the shoulder.

Shoulders are pushed inwards (opposite to how you would smash).

Hips and legs are pushing outwards.



He drops the racket down to be more side on (as you would if you pronated overhead)

His non-racket side moves back slightly

His racket side moves forward slightly with his racket foot baring the weight.



He strikes the shuttle away from the body to make use of leverage, using a bevel grip.

Comments
He could substantially improve his backhand by increasing his use of his body weight. Right now he does not turn into the shot effectively, severely diminishing his hitting capability.

His contact point could be substantially improved, by hitting closer to the body but substantially more overhead he will generate more torque from the racket. By doing so his grip will actually be correct, at his current hitting position, a thumb grip would be more suitable.

His improper grip is leading to constant wide hits, an inability to hit cross, and an inability to fully utilise power from this position.

I would suggest he studies someone with a good backhand, LCW, Chen Long, Taufik, to see their contact point to improve his shot making capability.

While he may substantially believe he's found a magic ratio, he's really only found a way to iterate on the Danish swipe, and can undertake many efforts to improve. Realistically a truly reversed pronation - not quite supination, but literally pronation backwards - will generate a lot more power than his current technique.

 

[Eli Nathan]

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[Phil Adams - Coach]

Noticed this video on Youtube by a guy called Mr.Backhand real name jazz lopez that talks about a ratio system of some sort as the real principle behind the power of power shots i.e smash&clears on both the forehand and backhand side.


He claims that instead of the so-called 'technique' that coaches teach his system is better and gives you instantaneous results. Also that the difference in power of smashes and clears between a semi-pro and the world's top players like lcw,ld and th are actually because of his system.

I wonder if anyone has watched it and if you did,what were your results after trying it and your opinions on it?

I watched most of his other videos on youtube and im kinda skeptic about this T.R.A thing because i cant tell if its authentic or not. He had very few views and comments plus i couldnt see the subscriber count.

150$ is a lot of money for where i come from and i dont wanna end up getting scammed.

Hi there,

This is a very touchy subject with most people talking about this. As in his videos, he is producing the shots from mid court and to the side/infront of him.

I am now coaching my players about getting power how the top players do in the world.

Have a look at my website and tell me what you think.

www.dynamicbadminton.co.uk

 

[phihag]

I am now coaching my players about getting power how the top players do in the world.

Have a look at my website and tell me what you think.

www.dynamicbadminton.co.uk

@Phil Adams - Coach I think that it's rather curious that you want to associate yourself with such a scam by posting here instead of in a new thread. Your services do not seem like a scam.

Curiously enough, you are using similar language and deception though. To quote a video titled BACKHAND CLEAR EXPLAINED HOW IT'S ACHIEVED - MAGIC TRICK:

With the dynamic principle you need to make sure that you do the isolated hits or dynamic hits. Isolated hits is the name that I've come up with. (..) Some people I have coached (..) have actually thought it is like witchcraft. They've described it as witchcraft (...) and don't know how it's done.
It's basically the exact same as a magic trick - you don't know how it's done.
Wanna know how it's done? You can see the finished product but you wanna get there.

(..) So this with I'm trying to actually describe two players and break it down piece-by-piece like it's a little stepping stone. Once the actual magic unveils and you actually see how it's done, why it's done, and when you should do it, then it's a lot easier to understand.

If you don't know how it's done or why it's done but you can just see the finished product then if it goes wrong and if you do it wrong once or twice you won't know how to get back to that stage because you won't know how you achieved it; you'll only know the finished product and you won't know how to get it again. So this is why I break it down to my players and show them exactly how it's done, why it's done, and when you should use it.

After this the magic trick is then unveiled and they know how it's done, why it's done, and when you should do it. Then they're surprised and they know how to do it. Now they're using it in their games - I've heard loads of players come back to me saying "I've used it. It's great.". It's actually fantastic to hear because these amazing shots that people are playing are getting right back to the court such as your clears and now they have massive smiles on their faces because they know how it's done and it's really, really amazing to see so hopefully you can achieve this(..)

I've taken the significant effort in transcribing it because I think the repetition is much more visible when it's written down.

This video's title is completely inaccurate; it purports to explain how a backhand shot is played, but the video does not contain any content. In fact, if I'd summarize it as

Philip Adam's coaching will explain to you the biomechanics of badminton technique, so that you understand the technique, thereby making sure you can always reproduce it and discover errors yourself.
His students are happy with the results.

I don't think anything got lost. The video is like an ad brochure; it does not contain any value.

Talk of secret techniques ("isolated/dynamic hits" - probably a description of we'd call the preparation phase or zero in standard BWF/German textbooks) almost always looks bad unless it is followed by a clear description of said technique.

In contrast, highly regarded coaches provide actual content - as a book, paid video, but very often also in free articles or videos. Content could be

• a practical description and demonstration, such as this video from Anna Rice.
• a detailed description of biomechanics. For instance, see this excellent video from Stefan Ljutzkanov for forehand overhead biomechanics.
• videos of top players performing the technique, in slow motion/with explanation. Here's an example from Diemo Ruhnow.
  
• Exercise-oriented formats, which talk about how to train the technique, like this one from Lee Jae Bok.
• Q&A-style formats like this from Paul Stewart, often explaining common mistakes.

All of these very respected coaches earn money by selling more detailed materials/books/videos, Internet training, or local training in some form. Their videos are useful even for badminton players who don't purchase anything (yet).

From what I can judge from afar, you seem to be a bona fide coach, not someone spouting crazy unsubstantiated theories. Then why do you add talk like this:

I've found a formula that increases your power by up to 50% when making contact with the shuttle. (..)
By now you are wondering what it is. This is Isolated Hitting. This isn't my theory, it's fact.

Instead of talking about how great your secret formula is, explain it to us! Chances are many will still need individual paid-for feedback, either via Internet or locally.

 

[s_mair]

Hi there,

This is a very touchy subject with most people talking about this. As in his videos, he is producing the shots from mid court and to the side/infront of him.

I am now coaching my players about getting power how the top players do in the world.

Have a look at my website and tell me what you think.

www.dynamicbadminton.co.uk

I just don't understand people. Why is it so damn hard to simply say
"Hey, I'm a well trained and skilled (certified?) coach and I know what I'm doing. I can help you improve your technique and make you a better player."
without involving any kind of magic tricks?

"I've found a formula that increases your power by up to 50% when making contact with the shuttle. This is what all the top players in the world do and everyone is so frustrated as why they can't do it themselves."

Just reading that sentence would make me never ever to consider even getting in contact with you if I was looking for a coach myself. You have found a top secret formula and taught that to all the top players in the world? Yeah, right.

My advice: Just cut that magical formula bullsh*t and try to present yourself as an authentic and genuine coach who is willing to work hard together with his clients to improve their game. And if I would be looking for a coach, I would like to know where he has been trained (certificates?) and with whom he has been working with in the past. No information whatsoever on your homepage currently.

The service you are offering under "Online Coaching" (if done properly) is not a bad idea to be honest. Although it's debateable how much a player really can learn and improve from video clips only without direct real-time feedback and guidance of an actually present flesh and bones coach.

Oh, and as @phihag wrote, better not present yourself in the same context as weirdos like our Mr. Backhand here - no matter how entertaining this thread has become.

 

[visor]

It's called savvy marketing.

It may not attract you and other higher level players, but some beginners would pay for fast and easy shortcuts.

 

[s_mair]

It's called savvy marketing.

It may not attract you and other higher level players, but some beginners would pay for fast and easy shortcuts.

Sad but true. But it won't need a lot of sessions until even they realize that there in fact is no magical formula and they end up feeling fooled.

Maybe I'm the one who sounds simplehearted now, but creating true expectations and being authentic when you offer personal services will only have positive effects from a long-term business perspective.

 

[Charlie-SWUK]

But there is a magic tragic to hitting well, practice.

 

[Phil Adams - Coach]

Thank you for your reply guys! I will take all your comments on board as I need to hear peoples opinion on it. I'm not trying to sound cheap or make a sale pitch at all, sorry if it may come across that way.

Badminton England sadly to say it haven't been keeping up to date with coaching styles, and found that the way they teach the coaches is not how the top players in the world train, that's why I had to do my own research to find a better way of training like China, India, Malaysia etc. My aim is just to help people

Thank you for your reply to this, will try and make my site better with more content!

 

[s_mair]

Thank you for your reply guys! I will take all your comments on board as I need to hear peoples opinion on it. I'm not trying to sound cheap or make a sale pitch at all, sorry if it may come across that way.

Badminton England sadly to say it haven't been keeping up to date with coaching styles, and found that the way they teach the coaches is not how the top players in the world train, that's why I had to do my own research to find a better way of training like China, India, Malaysia etc. My aim is just to help people

Thank you for your reply to this, will try and make my site better with more content!

You are welcome! Before you do anything else, please get rid of this "formula" stuff. That's a thing that scares away a lot of serious players with only a little bit of experience in an instant. It's like putting up a big blinking banner that says "Attention! Scam!".

Apart from that, I think it's a good approach to shift your focus on the big badminton countries and to learn their coaching styles. And if you can teach your students with a different style than what they usually get around here, then this would be enough of a USP and (if done properly) word will spread on its own.

Here in Germany we have Diemo Ruhnow who has a similar approach regarding footwork. He spent some time in the last years together with the japanese national team (who are currently the benchmark when it comes to footwork, hands down) to get an idea what they are doing and came back with a different philosophy than what is taught for years and years in Europe. He currently is the german national coach for women's doubles and was also coaching Mark Zwiebler on court in his last big SS semifinal against LCW during 2016 Japan Open.

 

[DarkHiatus]

Everytime I see a post in this thread get bumped up, I can't help but feel that the scam bashing is going on too long.

But then I open it up and the deeper it goes, the better and better it gets.

Can't wait for the next "episode"

 

[Phil Adams - Coach]

Everytime I see a post in this thread get bumped up, I can't help but feel that the scam bashing is going on too long.

But then I open it up and the deeper it goes, the better and better it gets.

Can't wait for the next "episode"

Thanks for your comment too, are you a badminton player or coach?

 

[DarkHiatus]

Thanks for your comment too, are you a badminton player or coach?

My comment was referring to the original focus of the thread regarding "Jazz".

However, I do echo the sentiment regarding your own marketing word choice. If you read around Jazz's marketing, it sounds eerily similar to your own Dynamic Badminton claims.

I personally do not judge your own coaching methods because I haven't looked for a demonstration, and neither have you given a reason for us to believe that your methods could be labelled a scam.

On a side note, if you want to spread the word of your coaching methods without giving anything away, I would highly recommend you reach out to MSeeley/Cheung/Phihag and have them review your methods. They are well respected in this forum and if they say they think your methods are reasonable, you will find a lot of business. If they do not find your methods reasonable, they will give you concrete reasons why and take it no further if you are as polite as you have been thus far.

And on your original question, I am a player at an intermediate standard, playing regularly in National tournaments but not advancing very far.

An example of a coach who has done well with an online presence without the marketing jargon is Paul Stewart. Although his teaching methods are different to other coaches, he still has their respect as his claims are not outlandish and he demonstrates the results of his techniques well. He does not need claims of "+50% power with one secret trick" because word of mouth says he is a capable coach.

 

[Phil Adams - Coach]

Thank you for this, that is very helpful! The reason why I done this post as so many coaches are still "trained" in the old way of teaching and very frustrating that people aren't progressing because of the old method. I also done this post as I want to help people with their frustrations!

I coach about 35 hours a week, but want to help more people across the world

Thank you for understanding guys

 

[Z-Force III]

Thank you for this, that is very helpful! The reason why I done this post as so many coaches are still "trained" in the old way of teaching and very frustrating that people aren't progressing because of the old method. I also done this post as I want to help people with their frustrations!

I coach about 35 hours a week, but want to help more people across the world

Thank you for understanding guys

So...please open a new and own thread. You will get the main attention and help in your own thread. Please state your aims and ask your questions. Share your thoughts as detailed as possible.

We all know that training between europe and asia is different. Also the slightly different techniques and style of play. That lower level training and higher level training are different, too is also not a big surprise to me.

I also came across some shitty coaches and people who have different learning curves and develop in different areas faster or slower, so you have many culprits and reasons for "the problem".

Anyway instead of "Nothing helps and is an old fart - but this is the real deal" I want to here more details and the differences which you figured out. What is old and don't help in your opinion. What are your experiences? Also try to avoid any percentage numbers. This will work for racket marketing. Just name numbers, when they are possible to measure. I think you can benefit from thoughts of @MSeeley @Cheung @raymond. I would also try to help if you are a nice person and the problem worth my time.