Congratulations Lin Dan :)

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This post mortem is really going nowhere, except creating disharmony.

A very intense finals has just finished. Both players are literally in their own world, overtaken by different emotions. They are not sworn enemies of each other; yet we take up their opposing causes like the honour of our families and countries depended on it.:eek::) I think a little perspective is called for...

This is not the first time Lin Dan has run off in the opposite direction from his opponent after winning a title, and it won't be the last. Also, it is not the first time LCW has shown a grumpy side of his personality, and it won't be the last. Can't we just leave it at that?

If you wish to point fingers, maybe you should point the biggest ones at the coaches and team managers who have not yet trained these players to become good role models and show respect to the game and the opponents.

Congratulations to LD for winning the KO. Maybe the next round belongs to LCW. :)
 
Did he or did he not shake LD hand? Why don't u tell us what should LCW do?
 
I always shake hand with my opponent first

cobalt said:
This post mortem is really going nowhere, except creating disharmony.
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Agree, we can read into the last few posts that some disharmony is brewing. :o:o:o

Let's talk about shaking hand after a match.

To me, I always shake hand with my opponent first;

1. At Social Games, whether I win or lose, I would say: "Thanks for the game"
2. At Competitions (after winning), I would just shake hand with smile
3. At Competitions (after losing), I would say: "Congratulations, Well Done"
4. Then I would thank the umpire, lines judges and spectators
5. Pack my bag and walk away to the change room

If 1, 2 or 3 does not happen first (my opponent doesn't want to shake my hand first), I would do 4 and 5 (without waiting).

My opponent can shake my hand later (Maybe in the change room, or at the presentation ceremony).
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Agree, we can read into the last few posts that some disharmony is brewing. :o:o:o

Let's talk about shaking hand after a match.

To me, I always shake hand with my opponent first;

1. At Social Games, whether I win or lose, I would say: "Thanks for the game"
2. At Competitions (after winning), I would just shake hand with smile
3. At Competitions (after losing), I would say: "Congratulations, Well Done"
4. Then I would thank the umpire, lines judges and spectators
5. Pack my bag and walk away to the change room

If 1, 2 or 3 does not happen first (my opponent doesn't want to shake my hand first), I would do 4 and 5 (without waiting).

My opponent can shake my hand later (Maybe in the change room, or at the presentation ceremony).
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No.1-5 that's what the players should practice as you mentioned, either 1-5 or 1-3 then 4-5 :)

Otherwise it really look funny with the loser standing near the net and the winner running around ..hahahaha

I think this has become a norm already :)
 
New thread: We can talk about all players, and not just about LD and LCW

pBmMalaysia said:
No.1-5 that's what the players should practice as you mentioned, either 1-5 or 1-3 then 4-5 :)

Otherwise it really look funny with the loser standing near the net and the winner running around ..hahahaha

I think this has become a norm already :)
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I have started this thread, located at;

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php/94551-Badminton-Etiquette-after-a-match

so that we can talk about all players, and not just about LD and LCW.
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I think the first thing to do for the winner is to shake his opponent's hand with or without saying anything. The least said the better say, like "Thank you" unless they are known to be good friends.

Coaches should instil this manner of courtesy to their charges right from the beginning to demonstrate good sportsmanship.

After the handshake, the winner can then celebrate and thank his coaches, but please don't leave his opponent stranded, waiting to congratulate the winner. ;)
 
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hey yoppy,

i am refering to the moment right after lin dan's euphoria when he eventually made the effort to go over to lcw while he is still packing his bag at the side of the court. at the corner of your screen, you will see the lcw's body language which seem to suggest quite clearly his reluctance to sincerely congratulate lin dan or shake his hand. it was done quite hurriedly i would say, don't you think so? (now i'm nitpicking, some would say - "c'mon it's only a badminton game" and all the wise cracks from the cool dudes of the forum). maybe i am but one can decipher a lot from such minute gesture and honestly, i kinda enjoy it as well.

even during the prize ceremony, you can see lin dan making the conscious effort to start a conversation with lcw and keeping the situation as relaxed as possible eventhough it looked kinda awkward to him. at the same time, lcw is somewhat indifferent and 'in a slightly different mood', don't you think so? there was hardly a smile on his face and i sense a tinge of arrogance, shock and disbelief all mixed in which is unlike lcw of the past. maybe i'm wrong but i can see he is really disappointed with this lost and i totally understand - in badminton, when you want it too badly, you become your greatest enemy. he is human after all, not morten frost.
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Now, this: "To me LD eventual effort came too late and at that point LCW had no more resposibility to shake LD hand, whatever came out of him is a bonus." i do not agree. according to yoppy, it sounds like it is perfectly normal not to even shake hands at that moment off court because it was too late. now that's arrogance to me.
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Have you seen this? I am not picking at LD but this is how your idol behaved after a defeat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4DgQjSsVSc&NR=1
 
tsae75 said:
Now, this: "To me LD eventual effort came too late and at that point LCW had no more resposibility to shake LD hand, whatever came out of him is a bonus." i do not agree. according to yoppy, it sounds like it is perfectly normal not to even shake hands at that moment off court because it was too late. now that's arrogance to me.
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Arrogance by dictionary definition: "offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride." Someone please explain how on earth LCW was arrogance (by not shaking LD hand), if there is any arrogance at all in that match, it was clearly LD who ran off to the crowd without giving any thoughts whatsoever that LCW was there standing and waiting to congratulate him. That was a selfish, disrespect and arrogace. And to find someone here at BC commenting how LCW was sore loser is just unbelievable, since its more like LD is an arrogance winner.
 
How your idol behaved after a defeat says it all

tsae75 said:
Now, this: "To me LD eventual effort came too late and at that point LCW had no more resposibility to shake LD hand, whatever came out of him is a bonus." i do not agree. according to yoppy, it sounds like it is perfectly normal not to even shake hands at that moment off court because it was too late. now that's arrogance to me.
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What nokh88 has posted makes us think twice.

nokh88 said:
Have you seen this? I am not picking at LD but this is how your idol behaved after a defeat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4DgQjSsVSc&NR=1
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was that the infamous li mao incident? if it is, i believe lin dan was instigated by many incidents on court that led to his outburst shown on the clip. technically speaking, lin dan was the better player in that match and should have won the game but due to 'external factors', the game was lost and lin dan's frustration is understandable. that was a young lin dan and i believe he has grown from that incident to become a better person both on and off-court.

on the video, i noticed he actually walked towards lee hyun-il with the intention to congratulate him but apparently lee seem to have ignored or missed him. but it is clear lee didn't make the effort to go over to lin dan the same manner that lin dan had done to lcw.

lin dan was arrogant then but i reckon he is beyond that today....until such time when he is instigated again by someone like li mao i guess. well, we have to watch future nail-biting matches like this one to see how the plot unfolds.
 
As the Youtube clip shown (anyone watched some badminton should recall many such examples), celebrating before shaking opponent's hand after a big win is not a LD exclusive. It would be classier for LD to stay longer for a handshake, but he did make the customary attempt at the handshake before walking away.

At KO, LCW was perfectly reasonable to not wait at the net or court side for the handshake. But once LD approached him, he should at least turn around for a quick handshake.

I think we can all understand how LCW felt at that point. LCW does not seem a bad person, there is no need to drag this on.

If BWF sees this as a problem, just make it an official protocol to shake hands first. It would not be a bad thing.
 
tsae75 said:
was that the infamous li mao incident? if it is, i believe lin dan was instigated by many incidents on court that led to his outburst shown on the clip. technically speaking, lin dan was the better player in that match and should have won the game but due to 'external factors', the game was lost and lin dan's frustration is understandable. that was a young lin dan and i believe he has grown from that incident to become a better person both on and off-court.

on the video, i noticed he actually walked towards lee hyun-il with the intention to congratulate him but apparently lee seem to have ignored or missed him. but it is clear lee didn't make the effort to go over to lin dan the same manner that lin dan had done to lcw.

lin dan was arrogant then but i reckon he is beyond that today....until such time when he is instigated again by someone like li mao i guess. well, we have to watch future nail-biting matches like this one to see how the plot unfolds.
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friend
u dont even open the link and watch
yet
u comment like it was so true
watch before comment
thanks
 
tsae75 said:
was that the infamous li mao incident? if it is, i believe lin dan was instigated by many incidents on court that led to his outburst shown on the clip. technically speaking, lin dan was the better player in that match and should have won the game but due to 'external factors', the game was lost and lin dan's frustration is understandable. that was a young lin dan and i believe he has grown from that incident to become a better person both on and off-court.

on the video, i noticed he actually walked towards lee hyun-il with the intention to congratulate him but apparently lee seem to have ignored or missed him. but it is clear lee didn't make the effort to go over to lin dan the same manner that lin dan had done to lcw.

lin dan was arrogant then but i reckon he is beyond that today....until such time when he is instigated again by someone like li mao i guess. well, we have to watch future nail-biting matches like this one to see how the plot unfolds.
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Ya, Li Mao was there alright and lee hyun-il played for Malaysia lol

In the video, your idol ld walked away without the hand shake,

that was probably the smartest thing a loser could do

given the winner lcw was too busy then ....:D
 
I think this thread has serve its purposes. Given that a troll revived this thread when this should be archieved weeks ago. And no credit to those who entertained the trolls because this thread would have been in a much better shape have you guys choose not to reply.
Seriously, who cares if he think LCW is a loser? Who is he to judge LCW anyway?

I always have my skeptic when the mods leave thread like this open(threads like LCW vs LD in almost every single tournament) and it has been proven time and time again, the only direction this sort of threads can go is--down.

Fans from each side try their very best to put off the other side(and try to glorify their idols at the same time) and the thread eventually degenerates into a flame feast or petty arguments with no significant meaning behind it. Hey, you are picking on the players just because they did not hand shake after a match or he did not raise his hand after a netcord? What's wrong with you? Are you running out of ideas what to discuss here and how petty can you be?

I for one think that many of us here need to grow up.
 
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tsae75 said:
was that the infamous li mao incident? if it is, i believe lin dan was instigated by many incidents on court that led to his outburst shown on the clip. technically speaking, lin dan was the better player in that match and should have won the game but due to 'external factors', the game was lost and lin dan's frustration is understandable. that was a young lin dan and i believe he has grown from that incident to become a better person both on and off-court.

on the video, i noticed he actually walked towards lee hyun-il with the intention to congratulate him but apparently lee seem to have ignored or missed him. but it is clear lee didn't make the effort to go over to lin dan the same manner that lin dan had done to lcw.

lin dan was arrogant then but i reckon he is beyond that today....until such time when he is instigated again by someone like li mao i guess. well, we have to watch future nail-biting matches like this one to see how the plot unfolds.
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Please watch the clip before you start answering other people.
 
Tsae75

Lol from accusing LCW of arrogant, Kumpong boy who can`t even handle interview etc, criticizing Morten Frost like he just raped ur mother to pretending that u`ve seen the video that nokh88 posted, u are the worst debater I`ve ever seen in my entire life! just full of BS.

Well, that`s just my opinion, I dont have a strong basis, but wait a second, neither do u
 
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I think this thread has serve its purposes. Given that a troll revived this thread when this should be archieved weeks ago. And no credit to those who entertained the trolls because this thread would have been in a much better shape have you guys choose not to reply.
Seriously, who cares if he think LCW is a loser? Who is he to judge LCW anyway?

I always have my skeptic when the mods leave thread like this open(threads like LCW vs LD in almost every single tournament) and it has been proven time and time again, the only direction this sort of threads can go is--down.

Fans from each side try their very best to put off the other side(and try to glorify their idols at the same time) and the thread eventually degenerates into a flame feast or petty arguments with no significant meaning behind it. Hey, you are picking on the players just because they did not hand shake after a match or he did not raise his hand after a netcord? What's wrong with you? Are you running out of ideas what to discuss here and how petty can you be?

I for one think that many of us here need to grow up.
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Fair comment, just to avoid the impression that only a 23 year old LD in 2006 can throw tantrums, here is a video of another popular player throwing tantrums and not displaying good etiquette.
In fact many European players have been guilty of it too.
The reason for LD's outburst is obvious, not at his opponent but as a soldier of PLA at Li Mao.
I have no complaint on LCW's conduct,I think he should adapt to the modern world and stop being a nice guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkZvJYJqV4o
 
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To be fair, etiquette is just it, an etiquette, it`s different in cultures and sports. Like in football, players always insulting other opponent to wind them up, whereas in sumo, you can`t even tell who won the fight because to show an emotion is deemed as disrespectful to your opponent.

I`m not suprised if european players show their emotion because mainly european are more open in expressing their feeling compared with asian people.

for me as long as you don`t shout to your opponent and tease them, it`s understandable.

In case of LD outburst during the match with LHI, it`s very unprofessional. I dont care if players scream like monkey after they won a match, but confronting other people just because a bad line call, even though Li Mao might said something that irritates LD, he as a professional player must not in any condition, conduct what he had done.
But that`s LD of the past, i`m sure he is more matured as a player and a role-model not just for people of China, but the whole badminton world as well.

on the side note, what happened to LSS now?i remembered him as a very promising player indeed!
 
Yes promising , but seemed to hit a ceiling after a while.

I think he's doing some private coaching.
 
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