Chinese Badminton

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  1. Sundis

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    ZJP is doing well, last year he almost won a WC medal. Is he Chinas version of Lee Hyun Il?
     
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    What a revelation, the CHN MD pair of Liu Yuchen/Ou Xuanyi, I never thought the two could play like that and was blown away while watching them got the better of their opponents, yesterday against the crack INA pair of Alfian/Ardianto, and today against the MAS Aaron Chia/Soh WY, in convincing fashion at the ongoing INA Open '22.

    And I just realised they also bested the legendary INA veteran pair of Ahsan/Hendrawan in R1. Incredible how they stormed to the final beating all their opponents in two straight games.

    The two play as if transformed, totally new pair, Liu YC so good at the front court area in the fast -flat exchanges, Ou XY power smashing at the back court , tenacious in defense, incisive at the front court as well - their quick-thinking, spatial awareness and shot selection are both efficient and effective that they are a match for any of the very best INA, KOR and JPN MDs pairs in the world now.

    In short, Liu/Ou have reinvented themselves, an exciting pair to watch at the moment, just waiting to see if they can top it off with a Super1000 title win tomorrow. All the best !
     
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    Yes your comparison to LYI is very apt. He does play with that very style. Elegance and effectivness
     
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    Do you know who is responsible for doing such a good job with the Mens doubles?
     
  5. Justin L

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    I'm not sure as I don't or seldom read CHN badminton fora, too time-consuming as I've other things outside badminton to take care of. But allow me to speculate, I've no doubt the two Korean coaches CBA engaged must have played a not insignificant role, still based on my understanding of how CBA usually work and implement policies, the decision to form or split pairs have to be approved by the head Coach Zhang Jun with inputs and recommendations by the Chinese MD coach(es) as well as consultations with the hired foreign coaches who are largely responsible for training their MDs department.

    Anyway, whatever, whoever made the choice of partnering Ou Xuanyi with Liu Yuchen in place of the retired Li Junhui and splitting Ou Xuanyi from Zhang Nan should be commended for his(their) insight and judgement.

    As we know, Ou XY underperformed when partnered with Zhang Nan, the pairing just didn't work out. The way I see it, OXY was in awe of ZN, an illustrious senior, highly decorated and a living legend with multiple World and Olympic golds, so much so that he must've felt the heavy pressure of the burden of expectation and the desire to be worthy of being selected as ZN's partner, to the extent that he tried to push himself too hard not to disappoint ZN and the coaches. As a result, I surmise he probably felt somewhat constrained, consciously or subconsciously, therefore, was unable to play freely and let himself go, even reproaching himself for every error, point or the match lost that he believed could be attributed to his failure, rightly or wrongly.

    However, fortunately, that didn't seem to be the case when OXY was chosen to partner Liu Yuchen whose status and accomplishments are not at or near the level of Zhang Nan's, notwithstanding the fact that LYC , two years his junior at age 26, is already a world MD champion with Li Junhui, a silver Olympic medalist and several prestigious title wins to his name. I won't be the least bit surprised LYC treated him like a buddy, not so much a junior-senior kind of relationship, unlike the one he had with his four-year-older highly-regarded senior Zhang Nan, now age 32, OXY being 28..

    I mean, from my observations of the way OXY and LYC react, communicate and relate to each other on court, the pair appears quite at ease, natural and unrestrained with each other, behaving almost like besties who understand and accommodate each other without reservation. The two now complement each other rather well, though occasionally OXY would exhibit signs of nervousness or over-eagerness to win esp. when falling behind in the score or at critical moments but, not to worry, LYC being the more stable and self-possessed of the two is often able to steady the ship, clearly showing leadership qualities. Indeed, the two gel and click as a pair, thus bringing out the best in each other. That's my opinion.

    By the way, apart from this exciting pair which forces us to look at them in a new light, especially after their sensational success today at the INA Open ' 22, a fairytale run from qualifier stage to final victory in an inspiring, all-conquering fashion - there are two other CHN MD pairs that should deserve our attention albeit they acquitted themselves in a little less spectacular manner, namely, Liang Weikeng/Wang Chang and He Jiting/Zhou Haodong. I'd go so far as to say, CHN MD is opening a new chapter going forward. Very interesting and exciting times ahead, for Chinese fans, in particular.
     
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    Great post Justin, as always.
     
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    Thank you Justin. Yes I Can see a similarity in the Korean style of play, fast,
    Furious, hungry and hunting for the shuttle. There are 3 great pairs but I am sure there are more being groomed.
     
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    China can't dominate badminton in all five categories on and on like previous era, it's normal.
    There's a period or cycle when they can decline too, lack of quality talents since they're human like others.
     
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    Actually, the most telling factor according to Xia Xuanze is the substantial diminishing pool of talents in almost all the sports, not just badminton, where very few are willing to turn professional, esp when they are the only child as their parents are very concerned about their future and insistent that their children put academic pursuits before anything else. It explains why even though various sports are growing in popularity across the board , the great majority are amateurs, and even those very few who are keen to take it up as professionals, as long as they are academically inclined, they will still find time to finish their studies first, at least get a first degree.

    In my humble opinion, it has to do mainly with, first, China's phenomenal growth in her economy the past forty years or so, particularly the last two decades offering a wide variety of opportunities to get ahead in life as evidenced in the country becoming more affluent; and, two, professional sports as a career is risky business, fraught with uncertainty, short-lived, susceptible to or fear of sustaining (debilitating) injuries for physically-demanding sports, success rate (winning tournaments) is generally not high and usually short-run , income typically not very attractive as only a few can reach among the top to earn big or sufficiently good money, and most face difficulties switching occupation or career post-retirement (which happens way earlier than the normal or mainstream occupation/career) as they lack the relevant or suitable skills and experience other than sports-related fields, the list goes on.

    Remember Tang Yuanting who went against her parents' wishes and decided to take part in the Rio'16 Olympics before determining whether to go to University overseas?
     
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    One thing that China is not short of is people. With a higher living standard, Chinese people are stronger and smarter. The success at the Olympics is the proof. Surely many people are distracted by exploding leisure options to dedicate themselves in a particular sport. But with so many people, there ought to be enough of them to become top athletes.

    The problem is mismanagement. Chinese sport is controlled by bureaucrats who have no passion or even interest in sports. The badminton league gets very little attention as fans, other than the really hardcore ones, don't even know how to follow it, let alone attending matches. One example is the selection tournament for players to earn a spot on the national team. Instead of an open event that can surely attract a lot of fans, the tournament is held behind closed door with information only leaked to fans in social media. The most acute example of sports mismanagement is the Chinese Soccer federation that is about to be banned by FIFA which is itself corrupt enough.

    Once upon a time, China relied on athletic achievements to give hopes to people. With the economic achievement today, there is no longer the need for that. Chinese sport is caught in the "no man's land" between politics and economics, as neither provides enough motivation to drive sports forward. It's maddening to see how various sports falling way short of potential due to mismanagement.

    It will take some fundamental shift for more professional management to move sports in China into a more market-driven model that is more suitable under the current environment.
     
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    Chinese football surely has to be the biggest waste of money in China sports by a huge margin.
     
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    Only ZJP participating in the in the Malaysian Open. Wonder when we can see them again? It would be nice to see whether they have improved.
     
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    li shifeng neaqrly got the chance, he was the next in the reserves after ng tze yong. Liang weikang & wang chang got the chance due to the several withdrawals but they didn't participate.
     
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    Do reserves go by ranking? How do they decide the order?
     
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    Congratulations to HanYue . She worked really hard. In fact she Toiled all the way to the end. Bin Qiao has certainly improved her skills and she has some deception in her game. But she lacks an attacking game. ASY showed what an attacking game is all about. She also made some really silly mistakes when the court was empty. Her strength is her stamina and grit.But all her hard work will make it easier for her opponent the next round as she will be tired.
     
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    WZY's game has changed so much.She is faster ,more aggressive, has learned to be deceptive and her net play is much better. Bin Qiao is a great coach to be able to transform players who I thought lacked all these skills. She has beaten HBJ twice and the the young talented indonesian, GMT.
    Her next opponent Line Hojmark K will be interesting. She needs to adjust her game to deal with a taller player. Best of luck WZY
     
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    In her recent match with HBJ, she was lucky. HBJ gave so many free points.
     
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    I believe China's women's singles coach is Luo Yigang.
     
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    In the past few tournaments, chen/jia look so disappointing. Du yue & li wenmei too slow and passive. Zhen yu's service is too weak and their defence is not the best. Liu xuanxuan and xia yuting haven't improved, may be partnership will be split. It is time to bring new partnerships like tan ning and players from 2019 junior world championship.
     

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