China team withdrew from SS Final

LazyBuddy said:
This is a typical article written by people who has no idea about CHN team / system / culture. To be worse, it's just a one sided slapping, without carefully thinking about the other side of the story.

Sure, you can use 10 pages to blast CHN athletes do not deserve this or that treatment within the team, but what about the "OG rules" (yeah, I mentioned that in 2000 threads, and i will continue to mention, until it's changed). You want all the good players to play this open or that final, but at the end, you strip their rights to even participate OG. How strong an argument you can support? At least there's KO or MO every year. But the OG is every 4 years. Why? because the editorial is contentless without mentioning previous fixings lol.

Sure, Zhou Mi might only got a Broze in 2004. Ask XXF and XXZ, they did not even get to Athens to play. All they can do is to watch the matches between ranking 50+ players on stage. Ask Chen Yu, this poor guy was never even in the "selection process". If you think CHN got treat unfairly in their team, what you think they face in the "wonderful, honest, fair" "outside world"? :rolleyes:

Wonderful world... :p
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ya, i don't get the reason why badzine brings up the fixing of 2004 WS to this SS withdraw discussion beside just to promote anger against china (for a different reason). Since china is withdrawing this SS, there is no fixing. Why bring up previous fixing to support a non fixing event??
 
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Woody said:
Personally I believe that the decision to withdraw all of the Chinese players from the SS finals is disgraceful and the Chines Badminton Federation should be fined a large sum of money.

There should be no penalties imposed upon the players as they are clearly under orders.

Whn the SS were set up some 2 years or more ago it was well advertised at the time that it was the intention to hold the 12 events followed by a Final involving the top players.

A major sponsor was found by BWF and they financed the first 6 events of the 2007 SS events. For reasons unknown to me they pulled out without much notice leaving BWF with a decision to make.

1. Continue with the other 6 events paying the prize money to players from BWF funds while seeking to find a further sponsor.

2. Scrap the events

BWF took the decision to hold the rest of the events durring 2007 as much of the preliminary work had already been done by the respective Federations towards organising the Events. However a decision was made to not hold the 2007 SS Finals.

A the start of the 2008 year BWF once again funded the first few of the SS Events and continued to seek a major sponsor for the rest of the year and the subsequent SS Finals.

Presumably a sponsor was found and part of the reason why a sponsor was found was that the World's top players would be taking part i.e. including the Chinese players who have qualified.

Can you imagine that this sponsor would have agreed to provide the funds withot the Chinese taking part?? I cannot.

Given that the Chinese Federation must have known what was going to be expected of their players well before the withdrawal of the team and to leave the decision to pull out until the last minute is disrespectful to BWF and other players who have been asked to complete at the last minute.

Choo Wong Hann from Malaysia was winning a European circuit in Italy on Friday and suddenly finds that he has to be back in Malaysia by Tuesday as he has now qualified to take part in the SS!!!!!!!!!!!! Great preparation.

The Chinese Federation cannot even come up with the excuse of lack of funds as BWF were going to pay Air Fares etc to all competitors who attend the event.
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why only fine china team? how about no shows from other countries?? If a policy is unfair or unworkable, should the policy maker is partly to blame??? Even if bwf fine china, so what? China team decision isn't based on money. Instead, BWF should come up with a workable schedule that agreeable by the top badminton nations.
 
george@chongwei said:
not untill lyb comes my house and fix my damn broken pipe and big water tank:p:p:rolleyes:
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u know that LYB is too busy to do those laborous tasks, he will send for 1 or 2 of his tomboys to fix your broken tank and pipe, is that ok??:D Caution: these tomboys don't have plumbing license, they might check the wrong water tank and pipe;):p
 
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chris@ccc said:
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LazyBuddy ... I don't think that the SSF was intended for the best of the best players.

I think the SSF was intended for the best of each nation to do battle against the best from other nations.

I think BWF is not interested in the CHN No.1 player doing battle against the CHN no.2, but for CHN No.1 to do battle against the No.1 from other nations.

CHN should perform well if they wish to participate in the SSF, since CHN is the strongest nation in Badminton.
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If that's the case, I wonder how come they do not set up an event like "CHN vs. world", regarding badminton. Back then, hockey has "north amercia vs. world" for all star game format, why can not do the same for badminton.

And also why BWF can not watch CHN no 1 against no 2, if they promote this as an individual event? If A and B are the 2 top performers, why we need to care which flags they carry?

In tennis world, ppl love the match between Williams sisters. I never heard any tennis organization reject 1 of the entries, say only 1 player from 1 family? Back then, Samparas and Agarssi (sorry for the mis-spelling) final matches in any grand slam is a classic. I never heard any organization says, "only 1 from each nation", or "we only want to see US no. 1 against other nation's no. 1", "we are not interested to see US no 1 against US no. 2". :confused:
 
sigh!

after reading all 11 pages, how come no one seems to know the real reason why china **** up the fans? :confused:
 
Kamen said:
after reading all 11 pages, how come no one seems to know the real reason why china **** up the fans? :confused:
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1. Why we really need to know the reason? Overall, it's their rights to make a decision to attend or not. We can be happy or be sad, but we are not them, and we do not have rights to make a decision for them.

2. When tennis stars or golf stars or whatever decide to withdraw from an event (even at the last meet or on the spot), we do not call them "**** up the fans". Why we have to single them out this time? :rolleyes:
 
LazyBuddy said:
1. Why we really need to know the reason? Overall, it's their rights to make a decision to attend or not. We can be happy or be sad, but we are not them, and we do not have rights to make a decision for them.

2. When tennis stars or golf stars or whatever decide to withdraw from an event (even at the last meet or on the spot), we do not call them "**** up the fans". Why we have to single them out this time? :rolleyes:
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agree with this one...

in fact..they already won 27 SS titles this year in overall...
so,let them take a rest and wait for their comeback next year and i hope they will become more stronger and stronger...

Seeing CHN Badminton team is just the same with USA Basketball team..
Almost 10 years ago,which nation who can beat the "almighty USA"??
but look at the other nation's progress in the last 6 years..one by one,they started to catch up..but USA in other hand..still proves that they are still the best in the world because they realized now that they became a target to defeat ,so they trained harder to become more stronger and stronger...(It had been proved well in the last OG, eventhough Spain & Argentina gave them a really hard time and pressure)

It's the same thing with CHN badminton..
compared to 2-3 years ago..now,many other nation has their own good player who can prevent the CHN domination to get all the titles at many tournament...

take a look...if 2 years ago,CHN can get 4 titles in WC,the next year only 3..They won 4 titles in AE 2007, this year only 2....in 2006 & 2007, CHN won 4 titles in CM SS , this year..they only won it 2.

u can see that CHN are not that kind of the dominate force in Badminton anymore as before...that's why i kinda support their decision to withdraw from this SS Final and upcoming 2 SS tourneys and because i think they need to refresh their mind and energy to think about next year big project, AE 2009 and Sudirman 2009...
 
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"CHN vs The World" would actually be an excellent idea

LazyBuddy said:
If that's the case, I wonder how come they do not set up an event like "CHN vs. world", regarding badminton. Back then, hockey has "north amercia vs. world" for all star game format, why can not do the same for badminton.
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LazyBuddy ... "CHN vs The World" would be an excellent idea because there will be no CHN players doing battle against each other.

LazyBuddy said:
And also why BWF can not watch CHN no 1 against no 2, if they promote this as an individual event? If A and B are the 2 top performers, why we need to care which flags they carry?
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When CHN players are playing against each other (in BWF tournaments), BWF and the world (including some fans of China) have less interest in watching them. This because some CHN players and coaches have told us they fixed their matches to gain maximum benefit for team members. However, it could be different when CHN players are playing each other in non-BWF tournaments, say in their internal Chinese tournaments, which do not carry BWF ranking points.
LazyBuddy said:
In tennis world, ppl love the match between Williams sisters. I never heard any tennis organization reject 1 of the entries, say only 1 player from 1 family? Back then, Samparas and Agarssi (sorry for the mis-spelling) final matches in any grand slam is a classic. I never heard any organization says, "only 1 from each nation", or "we only want to see US no. 1 against other nation's no. 1", "we are not interested to see US no 1 against US no. 2". :confused:
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That's because we know they fight to the end, without planning the outcome of their matches.

 Actually, some have found the current 2008 SSF interesting without CHN players. I just left our thread describing the matches in Day 2 of their 'Group Stage'. Lots of excitement and hope were expressed by BCers when finding their country's players making it into the Semi-Finals tomorrow.

Btw, there are ex-CHN players representing other nations in this SSF. But we know each of these players are now playing for themselves/nations, and not just for fellow ex-teammates.

Perhaps, if CHN is again not participating in next year's SSF, more fans/spectators would be thankful for it.

Cheers... chris-ccc
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I think China is very strong in Badminton and infact they are too strong but they dont have the responsibility to make themselves weak.

THE OTHERS NATIONS has the responsibilities to close the gap...

China just cant slow down and let others catch up!
 
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That's because we know they fight to the end, without planning the outcome of their matches.
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That's true. But that might also because they do not have to worry about "god standard fans" will judge their performance based on their flags. The tennis fans cheer for the players, but not their flags.

It always need two hands to clap. If there's a fight, you can not simply blame one side. If the other side does not respond, there's no fight anyway. ;)
 
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