LazyBuddy pretty much said what I want to say. But I just want to add that we shouldn’t discount LYB effort of making China No.1, even so he doesn’t have too good reputation on the sportsmanship department. Just see how much impact Li Mo has bring to LCW alone??? I think LYB has even greater impact on the over all Chinese team. [FONT="] In the case of Jen Eriksen, he would have probably retired if there are 5 younger pairs playing just as good as him, who would you pick for Olympic if you’re the head coach of Denmark? And what about the Olympic 2012??? Now look at Chinese MS again.[/FONT]
Well thats the thing really.. There is no need to put Jens (or any older player for that matter) on the bench, before the young guns have proven themselves "worhty" by their own merits to fill the shoes.. Letting him play 100% against other players but not against his younger compatriots would be something far from a Danish coach mind!! I don't think CJ and Bao has proven themselves to be as good as CH, until they do I think CH should get equal individual chances, if he wants that himself of course /T
Thomas Cup isn't a same case, it's about choosing the right player for a TEAM event. MO is an individual event, please make it clear. Favoring young players for the future does not mean you can fix matches. If you want your young player to get exposure, don't send your senior players. If you send them, don't tell them to retire when they meet with young teammates. BWF has made it clear that the Super Series is focused on PLAYER, not COUNTRY. BWF wants to produce professional players like tennis and golf, country image should fade in Super Series. For any reason, match fixing is dirty and should be banned. For the same reason, team order was banned in F1. Chen Hong should be checked by authorized specialist to confirm it's injury that causes him to withdraw after the tournament started.
Hey, let's get it straight! I didn't say fixed match is right nor I would ever agree with it. I am only saying as of CH is really injuired! please re-read the entire thread.!!!!
This is only subject to your view. CJ has potential to play even on 2012, but what about CH??? It is not fair at first place and I dislike it either, but if you're in LYB position where your task is to bring Gold then you would have thought differently. Just like what LazyBuddy have said, Chinese team is fully sponsored by the government and for sure they would have high hope to the team.
Hmm, sounds like Catch-22.. ..(excuse me for writing this) but like the phrase goes, it seems like "damn if he decides one way and damn if he decides another way"...
sure BWF say its about players, not country, but if you look at the forum, its all about countries, look at how malay/indo/chn fans here, who doesn't talk about how they want their players to win? who does not talk about breaking the so called "great-wall" or simply jealousy for lack of youngsters? give it up and accept its a country's pride in badminton, it won't change in day 1 until we have some sort of badminton league such as the EU cup in soccer(or football if you are british) i believe many of us are suffering from LYB-bashing symdromes...
Walkovers backfire on recipient players This is superb , clear thinking and I totally concur. However, given that BCL lost ,even with a supposedly walkover advantage, and match going to rubber, LYB will rethink the W/O tactic. In fact , if you look at MO07, one good lesson to be learnt seems to be W/O derailed the recipient players. There were 3 W/O and all the players who got them LOST! LWF/TFF, TG/CW and BCL.They seemed to not get started until too late, maybe because of the missed match. Under the OSS where the matches tend to be longer,W/O may be a bonus but under the NSS, W/O seem to misfire. The only player I can think of who may benefit from a W/O is that lazy louse, TH. He has gifted LD a W/O once and he is waiting to see whether LD will reciprocate, maybe in AE07, as a token of their budding friendship.
Thomas cup (or any competition) isnt about picking someone who can beat their team mates, its about who can beat their opponents ie. other countries. Anyway i dont see as relevant in anyway whatsoever, its the coach's job to pick players for the thomas cup. You think you can do better than LYB? who dont you apply for the position when he retires after the olympics. And i just wanna say that for once i actually agree with Lazy Buddy after our disagreement on ebay sellers. WOW
You shouldn't wait to be spoonfed. Go do research on CHN vs CHN MS matches over the last three years, apply some investigative,inferred intelligence and you will understand better what 'some people's logic' mean.
Your claims just make me laugh. There's no individual can survive without the team, especially if the team raise you and paid everything for you since you are 4-5 years old. Let's put this straight. Do you consider bicycle racing (i.e. Tour France) as individual or team? What about NASCAR racing? All of them of the paper, listed as individual events. However, all the pros know they need their teamates to "block" other opponents to get a better chance. Lance Armstrong thanks his USPS teammates to help him to win the champion, as they adopt a perfect team strategy (i.e. formation). Did anyone claim such as a "dirty strategy"? Same thing applies for marathon, diving, gymnastics, as teammates taking turns to "lead" (i.e. pressure opponents to raise the difficulties levels, which result into mistakes). Anyone claim such approach as "dirty"? To me, a true champion needs to be prepared for all situation. You win, good. You lose, train harder. All the excuses of "oh, he got an easier draw", or "damn, he got an easier earlier round / WO" is just sore losers. Let your racket do the talk, not your mouth. Again, how you check the injury. Any pro athletes have tons of injuries, and any of them can easily file an earlier retirement is they really want to. I wonder any doctor dare to force a player to play, if the player claims uncomfortable about any new/old injury.
Sure, PG just gave an WO to CY in KOR. Did anyone say anything? In WC2003, both Camila and Mia lost to ZN by 15:0 in a set. Can I apply some logic? I am sure there are many other cases that players give WO, or lose by unbelievable scores. Oh wait, they are not CHN. So, they are fine. Once they are CHN, they auto going into the "dirty" pool. Ok, I guess all CHN players are superman or superwomen. Once they claim that they don't feel well, they are "cheating". Please, there's a reason why CHN players tend to retire super early. Because the injuries bugs them, not because they want to give up the "star" title, or give the $$$ away.
I think comparing a one-on-one game like badminton to car-racing and bicycle races are quite lame actually.. When tour the france starts everybody is well aware that most of the cyclists sole role is to be "helpers" for the big-guns... Its not Like Cheng Hong and Bao role should be as LD "helpers" in tournaments??? or?? At least I would not like it to be... More relevent comparisons would be with Boxing, Tennis, Squash, Darts, Judo, Fencing, Chess etc.. Would anyone dream of letting Agassi WO against Roodick, to make it more probalble with a US champ in Austrailion Open for example... /Twobeer
If Kenneth Jonassen was asked to give a walkover to Peter Gade, he would be furious, and Peter would be, too.
All these accusations are based on assumptions. Where is the evidence that LYB told CH to WO. Come on if you tell me to check evidence find some to support ure case first. Did you record a convosation, a newspaper article, no i dont think so. Get the evidence and then make a point, dont just provoke arguments with unfounded accusations of LYB telling CH to WO.
Nobody here as far as I can read, has claimed to have proof and evidence of LYB fixing the match. But we can all make intelligent guesses and discuss about how bad it all looks.. To ask you the same question.. Do you have any evidence that CH had such a serious back injury a few days ago (that we for sure know didnt stop him to play a tough 3-setter a few days later) that he couldnt put up a fight against Bao.. Do you have any evidence to prove LYB didnt decide for CH to throw the game, becuase he flet Bao had had an easier run and it would benefit the "team" for him get a days rest before the final.. /Twobeer
I think your reply is quite funny. In Tour France rule book, there's NEVER a written rule of "majority helpers + a few big guns". The strategy is well accepted based on a un-written "team strategy" which be proven to give good chance for a team to have a representative to capture the trophy. However, Tour France (and many sports I listed in my post) are OFFICIALLY listed under INDIVIDUAL. Please don't mix the official rule book with some sort of "well accepted strategy". To me, such approach is also a case of playing "grey area", whether it's well accepted or not. Otherwise, Tour France should already give the trophy to a TEAM rather than INDIVIDUAL long long time ago. But it did not. Because in the rule book, it's still individual event. So, based on your assuption of "should do" or "sportsmanship", then, almost every single one of them is shameless freaks, and Lance Armstrong might be the biggest one, as he even proudly say it in public.
Give me a big freaking break man... Do we follow the logic of "if no evidence, he's innocent" or the logic of "if no evidence, he's guilty"??? Clearly, you pick the 2nd one, because YOU made your assumption based on your own choice. And, you clearly let the sore taste get in your mouth, and the so call "intelligent guess" have a huge percentage of "feeling". If you believe the 2nd one, I hope you are not working as a judge or a law enforcer. Otherwise, everyone will be put in jail at the day they are born. They can only get out, if they can prove they are innocent. This is totally ridiculous to a point.
Yeah. And TH should also be checked by authorized psychologists to confirm he was really pissed off by the line judge before he walked away from HK open.
To ask you the same question... Do you have any evidence that "TWOBEER" does not have any "bad feeling" toward CH/LYB/CHN team to begin with? Do you have any evidence to prove "TWOBEER" made his "intelligent guess" without any personal feeling involved??? Please...
