Come on, man. Master Sifu and the best chief coach there is. That's all I need to know for creditation! This looks like the 'end all be all' of badminton stringing instructions. I wish he made this video some 10 years earlier. I wouldn't have to go through the hundreds of pages on this forum to learn about stringing. And in hindsight it was all for nothing, as none of y'all told we should string like this!
2 knots or 4 knots?
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kakinami
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14 is not true, maybe it was just a little under 15 minutes. So the longer you spend on a racket is more quality time? I should spend more time on rackets then try to string them just under 30 minutes to give a more quality string job instead of efficient and quality. BTW someone told me he is in Singapore and is helping people train people who want jobs at Olympics in 2024. I should try to get some training, my last Olympics was 12 years ago!!
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extremenanopowe
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To be frank, there is no 1 standard way of stringing. Different strokes for different folks. As long as the quality of stringing is good. Some are jealous already trying to be little people. I understand your ego mate. lol
An analogy is you drive a car from A to B. There are different cars, using different petrols, different drivers, different routes. Car manufacturer (stringing machines) have their recommendations (biased or trying to create a niche). Left or righthand drive. So many variables and approaches. Up to you if you want to follow the recommendations.
In a tournament, there are about 500 rackets to string, u got time for 4 knots? Wake up dude.
Fyi, old days in early 80s ZJH days, some pro players prefer less strings at the bottom end. For better repulsion. I am a pro player (ex).
Until you hit 20 years of stringing at least or play at pro level, then come talk to me. I can use a lousy but reasonably strung racket to still beat u in a game. lol
Some just hates the reality and call others troll.
Sad case. This guy is GWS bro, he is no longer a pro? He is a Olympic silver medalist for god sake. TBH is AE champ. Give some respects. Be kind and change your mentality.
You have a more expensive machine doesnt mean you are right. There is always a better machine and so called arrogant stringer in future. All are just feeding their ego to protect or justify their existence to string 4 knots.
Use your experience to manage the tension needed as long as they are consistent.
The guide now is 24lbs for beginners, 26lbs for intermediates and 28 for advance players. For pros, their hand is much stronger, 30lbs above. Go suck it up. How much diff can they be?
In 80s, you minus 2lbs above, because of the quality of the materials used for the strings or rackets.Time changed. Even fake rackets can take in 30lbs easily now.
In a 2 knots string snapped situation, if it breaks at the 4 corners or junctions, its safer. Vertical and horizontal can escape frame cracks. 4 knots cant. Only applies to high tension rackets.. Lower tension rackets wont breaks unless stringing is uneven.
Speed of stringing is minor. 15 to 20 mins average.
@Cheung @kwun shd pin this up to resolve the mysteries once and for all. Since the pros already said so and you still want to listen to a non pro saying 4 knots is better? Camon. lol
You haters are jokers. lol
Fyi, I learned stringing from great grand sifus from Jakarta and Malaysia who strung for tournaments.
An analogy is you drive a car from A to B. There are different cars, using different petrols, different drivers, different routes. Car manufacturer (stringing machines) have their recommendations (biased or trying to create a niche). Left or righthand drive. So many variables and approaches. Up to you if you want to follow the recommendations.
In a tournament, there are about 500 rackets to string, u got time for 4 knots? Wake up dude.
Fyi, old days in early 80s ZJH days, some pro players prefer less strings at the bottom end. For better repulsion. I am a pro player (ex).
Until you hit 20 years of stringing at least or play at pro level, then come talk to me. I can use a lousy but reasonably strung racket to still beat u in a game. lol
Some just hates the reality and call others troll.
Sad case. This guy is GWS bro, he is no longer a pro? He is a Olympic silver medalist for god sake. TBH is AE champ. Give some respects. Be kind and change your mentality.You have a more expensive machine doesnt mean you are right. There is always a better machine and so called arrogant stringer in future. All are just feeding their ego to protect or justify their existence to string 4 knots.
Use your experience to manage the tension needed as long as they are consistent.
The guide now is 24lbs for beginners, 26lbs for intermediates and 28 for advance players. For pros, their hand is much stronger, 30lbs above. Go suck it up. How much diff can they be?
In 80s, you minus 2lbs above, because of the quality of the materials used for the strings or rackets.Time changed. Even fake rackets can take in 30lbs easily now.
In a 2 knots string snapped situation, if it breaks at the 4 corners or junctions, its safer. Vertical and horizontal can escape frame cracks. 4 knots cant. Only applies to high tension rackets.
. Lower tension rackets wont breaks unless stringing is uneven.Speed of stringing is minor. 15 to 20 mins average.
@Cheung @kwun shd pin this up to resolve the mysteries once and for all. Since the pros already said so and you still want to listen to a non pro saying 4 knots is better? Camon. lol
You haters are jokers. lol
Fyi, I learned stringing from great grand sifus from Jakarta and Malaysia who strung for tournaments.
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kakinami
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Not sure who is hatin' we are trying to see your point of views of stringing. You want to bring up TBH? You want to throw names. Good for you. I agree different strokes for different folks, your way of stringing from left to right is not a cup of tea for maybe 90% of normal stringers, but if you want to steing like that more power to you. I might find it strange and others but I am not going to say you are wrong at what you are doing. I find it creative but strange, I wouldn't say it is bad. If anyone has an ego I might say it is you who cannot accept constructive criticism. If you want to critic my stringing I welcome it. I welcome it to everyone. If you think I am doing something wrong I want to correct it. I try my best not to throw out my credientals, like saying I have been stringing for 30 years and when you say if you have 20 years come back and talk.. What if I do have 26 years of stringing experience, strung at professional badminton and tennis tournaments, strung for Olympic gold medalists, strung at an Olympics 2 world championships, an All Englands, 12 years for the US Open badminton, Pan American Games, Junior World Championships, who cares? I want to listen to all stringers see what they do and try not to give bad criticism. I watched your whole video. Most stringers wouldnt watch the whole thing.To be frank, there is no 1 standard way of stringing. Different strokes for different folks. As long as the quality of stringing is good. Some are jealous already trying to be little people. I understand your ego mate. lol
An analogy is you drive a car from A to B. There are different cars, using different petrols, different drivers, different routes. Car manufacturer (stringing machines) have their recommendations (biased or trying to create a niche). Left or righthand drive. So many variables and approaches. Up to you if you want to follow the recommendations.
In a tournament, there are about 500 rackets to string, u got time for 4 knots? Wake up dude.
Fyi, old days in early 80s ZJH days, some pro players prefer less strings at the bottom end. For better repulsion. I am a pro player (ex).
Until you hit 20 years of stringing at least or play at pro level, then come talk to me. I can use a lousy but reasonably strung racket to still beat u in a game. lol
Some just hates the reality and call others troll.
You have a more expensive machine doesnt mean you are right. There is always a better machine and so called arrogant stringer in future. All are just feeding their ego to protect or justify their existence to string 4 knots.
Use your experience to manage the tension needed as long as they are consistent.
The guide now is 24lbs for beginners, 26lbs for intermediates and 28 for advance players. For pros, their hand is much stronger, 30lbs above. Go suck it up. How much diff can they be?
In 80s, you minus 2lbs above, because of the quality of the materials used for the strings or rackets.Time changed. Even fake rackets can take in 30lbs easily now.
Speed of stringing is minor. 15 to 20 mins average.
@Cheung @kwun shd pin this up to resolve the mysteries once and for all. Since the pros already said so and you still want to listen to a non pro saying 4 knots is better? Camon. lol
You haters are jokers. lol
Fyi, I learned stringing from great grand sifus from Jakarta and Malaysia who strung for tournaments.
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s_mair
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That's what I didn't get in the first place. They specifically point out that it doesn't make a difference. At least in the english subtitle. So... huh?!
Mods, can we close this thread? It has reached a cringe level that is most likely causing brain aneurisms.
And to learn at least one thing from this bloodbath - I think this is the right point to introduce a German word that so far doesn't have an exact equivalent in English (I think): Fremdschämen.
You're welcome.
extremenanopowe
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I got an idea now.
I call this or my method below.
Joe cool KISS methodology stringing.
Since majority not using such style as you claimed. Ironically, I learned from the great grand sifus. lol
Learn my 2 knots KISS specialty below.
I call this or my method below.
Joe cool KISS methodology stringing.
Since majority not using such style as you claimed. Ironically, I learned from the great grand sifus. lol
Learn my 2 knots KISS specialty below.
Oh. I didn’t read the subtitles but GVS said in mandarin there wasn’t much difference between 2 and 4 point in mandarin and it’s the players’ feeling.
Then I got confused with the OP writing 4 point wasn’t good. Was the OP criticising GVS and TBH because the video doesn’t support what the OP wrote.
kakinami
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It is difficult to see your string pattern. Your last video you were pulling 2 mains going left to right and then pulling 2 crosses at the same time? Out of curiosity why don't you pull each main and cross? I am not trying to troll you, I just want to understand your method of stringing and why you di qhat you do. Your comments are turned off so I cannot comment on your videos, if you want to see my videos I welcome any constructive criticism. That is how we as stringers learn from each other. If you want to say you have learned from a master stringer that is great. I wouldn't say I have learned from master stringers nut they are good in their own way, teaching without getting mad if someone says he maybe that is wrong. They can listen to what people say and take it into consideration. If you critic my stringing videos, I welcome any feedback you have. Anybody critic's my stringing , I want to hear what I can do to become a better stringer. My videos can leave comments so if you want to critic my stringing I welcome it!I got an idea now.
I call this or my method below.
Joe cool KISS methodology stringing.
Since majority not using such style as you claimed. Ironically, I learned from the great grand sifus. lol
Learn my 2 knots KISS specialty below.
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Now the 2 of hardest hitters in the world has said it. Keep it simple, stupid. KISS methodology.
what exactly did they say according to your interpretation?
OP was calling out stringers and players who prefers 4 knots as stupid.
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Yeah. He’s calling players with the hardest smashes stupid?
s_mair
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At least that explains why the tension on his own racket in his half gazillion coaching videos (that guy has over 35.000 videos online, I'm not kidding!) sounds like it's 17 lbs. max.
And seriously.... what is this supposed to be?!
Are people really paying money for THIS?
Rittersport
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kakinami
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Lets break down everything. First off Most of these things in these threads are meant to help stringers, not to degrade them but 90% of everything here is meant to help stringers become better stringers. I will offer this apology in advance if I have offended you in any way. But if you make claims I would hope you can back them up with logic not because you have learned from a sifu
To be frank, there is no 1 standard way of stringing. Different strokes for different folks. As long as the quality of stringing is good. Some are jealous already trying to be little people. I understand your ego mate. lol
I agree there is no "REAL" Standard way, but for warranty references Yonex does require to have 4 knots otherwise it technically voids their warranty, so from a manufactuers stand point they have a standard way to string their rackets. I doubt many people in this thread are jealous, most people here are good stringers wanting to hone their craft and become better stringers, as for an ego, if you watch my videos, you are welcome to comment and critic my way of stringing. If anyone has an ego that doesn't want to be hurt, I noticed you disabled comments on your videos, so no one can critic your stringing. You can make any comments you want about my stringing, I have seen some terrible videos, but there is one thing I might see that makes sense, so in hindsight it is not really terrible.
An analogy is you drive a car from A to B. There are different cars, using different petrols, different drivers, different routes. Car manufacturer (stringing machines) have their recommendations (biased or trying to create a niche). Left or righthand drive. So many variables and approaches. Up to you if you want to follow the recommendations.
If you follow their recommendations what is so bad?
In a tournament, there are about 500 rackets to string, u got time for 4 knots? Wake up dude.
Have you ever strung at a tournament? and Yes at tournaments that I have strung at, I use 4 knots, so I am awake usually until maybe the last 2 days then I get a bit sleepy. Lets say we are stringing 25 rackets a day on average between 3 or 4 stringers, Tuesday-Friday about 100 rackets and semi finals and finals maybe another 20-25 rackets those 2 days, so Yes we can string as a team about 500 rackets in a tournament with 4 knots.
Fyi, old days in early 80s ZJH days, some pro players prefer less strings at the bottom end. For better repulsion. I am a pro player (ex).
If you are a pro player back in the day, I am sure people can respect that, to be honest if you had good credientals you wouldn't have to tell people you were/are a pro player, everyone can respect TBH is a pro player, he doesn't have to tell people or your ZJH, people respect that these people are pro players, if you need to boost your ego then you remind people you are a pro player. You don't have to remind people who know you, that you are a pro player, if you arethen people give you the respect you deserve.
Until you hit 20 years of stringing at least or play at pro level, then come talk to me. I can use a lousy but reasonably strung racket to still beat u in a game. lol
I don't doubt you can beat me, I am not a badminton player, I am a badminton stringer. I don't have to say I am a Pro badminton stringer, because I have built a reputation as being a reputable stringer. What dose having 20 years of stringing experience have to do with anything? If you wanted to teach people how to string you wouldn't have such an ego saying come talk to me. If someone has 1 year stringing experience I would still take the time to listen to them and hear what they say. They have some good advise for me, I will listen, for you to say until you hit 20 years of stringing then come talk to me. Pretty big ego to me. By the way I have been stringing for over 26 years, started stringing in 1996 at a badminton shop in San Jose, CA USA called Asby Sports. Andy Gouw and 1992 USA Olympian Ben Lee taught me how to string. Of course they are no master stringers but average people who wanted to teach their craft to me. And again I progressed my stringing skills way beyond theirs. Again they were no master stringers but average stringers who loved the sport and taught me the craft of stringing. No ego's here.
Some just hates the reality and call others troll.
This I don't understand where you are coming from, I would say most players want their rackets strung by professional stringing teams, if you want to give some respect then how about players like Tony Gunawan Olympic GOLD medalist 2 time World Champion, 2 time All England Champion or Halim Harayanto Ho World Champion, All England Champion, if they string their rackets they do 4 knots, or if I string them I do 4 knots, since at least 2005, the Yonex Stringing team has been doing 4 knots unless requested to or due to unforseen circumstances. Most players nowadays are used to 4 knots.
You have a more expensive machine doesnt mean you are right. There is always a better machine and so called arrogant stringer in future. All are just feeding their ego to protect or justify their existence to string 4 knots.
In my case it usually does mean I am right, BUT, I always listen to other people's opinions. I think there are arrogant stringers out there, I have a friend who thinks Yonex is the best and ALWAYS pushes his opinion on everyone. I can listen to everyone who thinks their machine is better and I can respect their opinion. If you don't think the Yonex Protech 8 is your cup of tea, I can respect that, if you want to string on a 2 point mounting system machine with a rotational pull that you wrap around like 5 times, I can respect the machine you use. In no way shape or form am I justifying 4 knots, I have friends who like 2 knots, I am not saying they are stupid like some people say stupid people use 4 knots. My customers are happy with my stringing as I believe your customers are happy with your stringing. If back in the day I am stringing 3000+ rackets a year in my shop and most people don't complain, it can't be all that bad?
Use your experience to manage the tension needed as long as they are consistent.
The guide now is 24lbs for beginners, 26lbs for intermediates and 28 for advance players. For pros, their hand is much stronger, 30lbs above. Go suck it up. How much diff can they be?
What is needed to be sucked up?I guess where you are maybe because of humidity or temperature factors different countries have different recommendations. In the US I might recommend 20-23 for a beginner, 23-26 for an intermedate and 26+ for advanced, in Japan I have seen string tensions down to 14 pounds, but most older ladies might string at 18 pounds, so Temperature can affect stringing, it does in tennis too, if a pro is playing at night they might string tighter because conditions are cold, affternoon they might string a little looser because it is hotter.
In 80s, you minus 2lbs above, because of the quality of the materials used for the strings or rackets.Time changed. Even fake rackets can take in 30lbs easily now.
I was doing 10% (+2 pounds on my crosses) sometimes because players in the 90's still wanted that feel to oval their rackets and avoid them from rounding out on a 2 point mounting system for their aluminum frames.
In a 2 knots string snapped situation, if it breaks at the 4 corners or junctions, its safer. Vertical and horizontal can escape frame cracks. 4 knots cant. Only applies to high tension rackets.
Do you see many rackets breaking? Most rackets I see break are from collision, I agree rackets can break when the string breaks, but I rarely see with low tension rackets, I don't think it matters 2 knots or 4 knots at high tensions, if the frame is going to break it is going to break. Yes if your string breaks on main #8, 9 10 or 11 you are going to have uneven pressure on the frame, do you think if you break your string on the side, pressure can be aleviated because you have 2 knots? Where is your logic? Your string is still tight on the other side making the frame uneven, How can 2 knots escape cracks better than 4 knots? If you cut the string on the side of the racket, how many mains lose tension, move? Maybe 5? You still have uneven pressure on the frame. Does my logic make sense? If not prove me wrong, I encourage to hear how you believe 2 knots are better than 4 knots in this situation? I think it is the same. I would like to hear other peoples opinion too. See no ego, asking to learn from others, even you.
Speed of stringing is minor. 15 to 20 mins average.
I agree it is minor, except when you have to string maybe 20+ rackets a day, then it comes in handy. I do not like to use the word speed in my stringing vocabulary but I would say my efficiency in stringing. I am not fast, I am efficient. You might be fast, I am not.
@Cheung @kwun shd pin this up to resolve the mysteries once and for all. Since the pros already said so and you still want to listen to a non pro saying 4 knots is better? Camon. lol
Who is a non pro saying 4 knots is better?
kakinami
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You haters are jokers. lol
I can agree I am a joker, hater, doubt it. I can watch your videos, read what you have to say and respect it. If you think I am a hater I feel sorry for you, I listen to other stringers and want to learn, I can read your opinion and let you have it. You don't respect my opinion, I think you got a little hate. I do like to joke though, I give you that.
Fyi, I learned stringing from great grand sifus from Jakarta and Malaysia who strung for tournaments.
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Does it matter who you learned from? I think the only thing that matters is that you believe you are a great grand sifu. Your background should be the only thing that matters, and that your opinions are appreciated by all stringers. If you feel hate upon yourself, who brought it? I can respect what you say and listen to your opinions. I saw some people get a little strong on you, saying your stringing video/thread should go into the collection of stringing horror. I disagree. You have your own method of stringing left to right where most stringers string from the middle out, but that is the way you string and I can respect that, I see people in India do that, I don't agree with it but they probably like yourself have people pay you to do it, so in my mind you are a professional.
Why do you think you don't get as much respect as I do from most people? To be honest you don't have a reputation like most stringers in this forum. Most stringers listen to what other people say and don' brag about who they have learned from or what tournaments they have strung at, it is all a mutual respect. You don't respect others, they won't respect you, just a word of advice.
Another thing if you think I am just an average stringer with no knowledge off stringing, I would agree with you. But most people don't. You want to brag you have 30 years of stringing experience, learned from master sifu's, I don't have to do that, and other stringers here don't do that either, we are all here to learn from each other. If you want my background just ask and I will give it to you, I am sure you won't be impressed, but I am also sure you have not done what I have done. I consider myself a VERY lucky person who wanted to improve my skills as a stringer. I listen to everyone, even you.
I can agree I am a joker, hater, doubt it. I can watch your videos, read what you have to say and respect it. If you think I am a hater I feel sorry for you, I listen to other stringers and want to learn, I can read your opinion and let you have it. You don't respect my opinion, I think you got a little hate. I do like to joke though, I give you that.
Fyi, I learned stringing from great grand sifus from Jakarta and Malaysia who strung for tournaments.
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Does it matter who you learned from? I think the only thing that matters is that you believe you are a great grand sifu. Your background should be the only thing that matters, and that your opinions are appreciated by all stringers. If you feel hate upon yourself, who brought it? I can respect what you say and listen to your opinions. I saw some people get a little strong on you, saying your stringing video/thread should go into the collection of stringing horror. I disagree. You have your own method of stringing left to right where most stringers string from the middle out, but that is the way you string and I can respect that, I see people in India do that, I don't agree with it but they probably like yourself have people pay you to do it, so in my mind you are a professional.
Why do you think you don't get as much respect as I do from most people? To be honest you don't have a reputation like most stringers in this forum. Most stringers listen to what other people say and don' brag about who they have learned from or what tournaments they have strung at, it is all a mutual respect. You don't respect others, they won't respect you, just a word of advice.
Another thing if you think I am just an average stringer with no knowledge off stringing, I would agree with you. But most people don't. You want to brag you have 30 years of stringing experience, learned from master sifu's, I don't have to do that, and other stringers here don't do that either, we are all here to learn from each other. If you want my background just ask and I will give it to you, I am sure you won't be impressed, but I am also sure you have not done what I have done. I consider myself a VERY lucky person who wanted to improve my skills as a stringer. I listen to everyone, even you.
kakinami
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Too technical for me!! <3
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