The beginning of the end of CHN's domination??

dannyang said:
yes, but you can't count the whole population of China as the "badminton population", since a large proportion of chinese are still facing the poverty problem and badminton is not as popular as other chinese traditional sports, eg. the number registation of soccer player in BeiJing is about 900 which is nothing compared with Brazil. and for majority of chinese, their first choice is table tennis. the wage and bonus a badminton player can earn are less than 1% of that a table tennis player can earn in china. Most of the table tennis players in China have BMW, posh, etc.
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Given that badminton is more widely played worldwide than TT, in fact baddy is 2nd most played sport in the world after soccer...that is a very interesting statement you made that TT players makes 100% of baddy players wage in CHN...where did you find the facts, I really would like to know.....
 
OneToughBirdie said:
Given that badminton is more widely played worldwide than TT, in fact baddy is 2nd most played sport in the world after soccer...that is a very interesting statement you made that TT players makes 100% of baddy players wage in CHN...where did you find the facts, I really would like to know.....
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danyang is correct... The table tennis players are driving BMW etc. In Chinese badminton... only LYB is driving a sports car.

Why? Because the table tennis association chose the route of tennis in the western world: the players can get as many individual endorsements as possible...

While in Chinese badminton, the team manager has all the power to choose to not individualize endorsements... instead all the deals goes to the team manager and association... Notice the uniforms of the Chinese players: Yonex, Fedex, Dow. Everybody the same. :rolleyes: [Like Indonesia too, actually... :o :o, we're not much better... :crying: :crying:]

Results: ya, you know laaah... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Table tennis players earn much more in China not because table tennis much more popular, but because tabel tennis has a professional League where the best players fight each other.

Krisna said:
danyang is correct... The table tennis players are driving BMW etc. In Chinese badminton... only LYB is driving a sports car.

Why? Because the table tennis association chose the route of tennis in the western world: the players can get as many individual endorsements as possible...

While in Chinese badminton, the team manager has all the power to choose to not individualize endorsements... instead all the deals goes to the team manager and association... Notice the uniforms of the Chinese players: Yonex, Fedex, Dow. Everybody the same. :rolleyes: [Like Indonesia too, actually... :o :o, we're not much better... :crying: :crying:]

Results: ya, you know laaah... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Really don't see that happening. LD was already a top player back in 2001, was World No. 1 around that time, and could really trouble/beat top players like JXP, LYG, TH, PR, etc.. It is similar for other good players in China, CH, BCL, XXZ, DJ, SJ, ZJH and YY. All became top players at about 20, if not before.

So if anyone in China could be the next LD in 5-6 years, he should already have shown some of his brilliance now. We don't see anyone right? (Personally I think CJ can never be as good as LD)

Linus said:
I mean 5-6 years down the road, I'm quite certain China will show case 1-2 LD's calibre players, but can Malaysia produce another LCW or can Indonesia produce another TH to continue the challenge?
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dannyang said:
yes, but you can't count the whole population of China as the "badminton population", since a large proportion of chinese are still facing the poverty problem and badminton is not as popular as other chinese traditional sports, eg. the number registation of soccer player in BeiJing is about 900 which is nothing compared with Brazil. and for majority of chinese, their first choice is table tennis. the wage and bonus a badminton player can earn are less than 1% of that a table tennis player can earn in china. Most of the table tennis players in China have BMW, posh, etc.
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No of course the population is not all a badminton playing population, but this is true of every country, here in England football is by far the biggest participant sport, Badminton is according to Badminton England the 8th most played sport, with between 800 and 900 thousand people playing each month. Look at Denmark, they are by far the most impressive performers, they have a tiny population, but do exceptionally well and have done so for many many years.
So the only basis you can start from is the gross population statistic.

The biggest danger to chinese badminton, and probably to most countries is a major growth of another sport that can eat into the potential talent pool.

The best example I can come up with is in the West Indies, where 20 years ago they had a formidable cricket team, now the americanisation of the islands has dragged away many potential cricketers to play baseball (sad but true, baseball for gods sake!! ) To a lesser extent football has also taken away many potential cricketers. Now they have a very poor cricket team, and this is due to the poor management of the sport in the Caribbean, and an inability to compete with the newcomers.

This is a danger to badminton in many countries, if the national organisations take their eye off the ball then they could lose out to other sports, the globalisation of football is a major threat in many markets.

National associations beware !!!!!
 
DarrenS said:
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No of course the population is not all a badminton playing population, but this is true of every country, here in England football is by far the biggest participant sport, Badminton is according to Badminton England the 8th most played sport, with between 800 and 900 thousand people playing each month. Look at Denmark, they are by far the most impressive performers, they have a tiny population, but do exceptionally well and have done so for many many years.
So the only basis you can start from is the gross population statistic.

The biggest danger to chinese badminton, and probably to most countries is a major growth of another sport that can eat into the potential talent pool.

The best example I can come up with is in the West Indies, where 20 years ago they had a formidable cricket team, now the americanisation of the islands has dragged away many potential cricketers to play baseball (sad but true, baseball for gods sake!! ) To a lesser extent football has also taken away many potential cricketers. Now they have a very poor cricket team, and this is due to the poor management of the sport in the Caribbean, and an inability to compete with the newcomers.

This is a danger to badminton in many countries, if the national organisations take their eye off the ball then they could lose out to other sports, the globalisation of football is a major threat in many markets.

National associations beware !!!!!
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good point but china is slightly different, it has lots more people. They can afford to lose some talented people to other sports but should has lots more eagered people to enter badminton to compete with other countries
 
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cooler said:
good point but china is slightly different, it has lots more people. They can afford to lose some talented people to other sports but should has lots more eagered people to enter badminton to compete with other countries
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To a degree yes, but why take the risk, complacency could cost you a Lin Dan or Gao Ling to another sport. You should always stay ahead of the game, or you could just find yourself in trouble.
 
X Ball said:
As they say : Easy Come Easy Go. What does it matter if it is one game - next game China might win it back (not that I want to see that but I have to face reality). But it is more exciting if other countries win too. Nevertheless, I want LCW to continue winning.:D
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Any prediction when LCW will win another tournament ?
 
USAfan said:
Any prediction when LCW will win another tournament ?
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Haha, you must be bored. My prediction is based on my information about the player. If he trains well, then I know his heart is in it. After WC, he had a convo with the BAM boss, and I knew he came out very motivated -- hence JO was a possibility (as you know, nothing is certain in life).

The good news is he has proven his mettle and now with a bit of rest and some more fine tuning, what is to say he would not perform again in Denmark ?
 
hi all i'm new here..
let be wise and mature..
i remember that in japan open 2002 or 2003 before the athens olympc...the chinese even don't won any tittle there..but they still managed to win 3 gold in athens..
so let it flows....
don't judge by this jo tournament..
i think that badminton is more competitive now..and just enjoy it...
 
Crying Wolf

DarrenS said:
The best example I can come up with is in the West Indies, where 20 years ago they had a formidable cricket team, now the americanisation of the islands has dragged away many potential cricketers to play baseball (sad but true, baseball for gods sake!! ) To a lesser extent football has also taken away many potential cricketers. Now they have a very poor cricket team, and this is due to the poor management of the sport in the Caribbean, and an inability to compete with the newcomers.
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It's actually commercialisation of sport, not americanisation, that lures people away to better-paying disciplines. :)
(Korea and Singapore are glaring examples... youngsters seem to prefer baseball and basketball to badminton. It raises their peer profile, makes them think they are 'like the Americans' and empowers them in a strange sort of way.) ;)
Rather than beware of baseball and football, what badminton honchos need to do is make the sport more saleable.
More revenues means more tournaments, better players, vastly higher skills and more excitement.
Perhaps, that might begin a reverse-run... people taking up badminton and abandoning baseball and football. :rolleyes:
 
Oldhand said:
It's actually commercialisation of sport, not americanisation, that lures people away to better-paying disciplines. :)
(Korea and Singapore are glaring examples... youngsters seem to prefer baseball and basketball to badminton. It raises their peer profile, makes them think they are 'like the Americans' and empowers them in a strange sort of way.) ;)
Rather than beware of baseball and football, what badminton honchos need to do is make the sport more saleable.
More revenues means more tournaments, better players, vastly higher skills and more excitement.
Perhaps, that might begin a reverse-run... people taking up badminton and abandoning baseball and football. :rolleyes:
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If we can 'americanise' Badminton, perhaps the game will become popular but it will never happen.:D
 
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