Oh, aye - a very "busy" turntable.lol. with that many clamp bases it'd be complete chaos.
Kicking myself that I never tried it, to be honest - would have been worth it just for the memes.
Oh, aye - a very "busy" turntable.lol. with that many clamp bases it'd be complete chaos.
Maybe I should add the details if anybody is interested (you could have done that, Simon):To validate the suprisingly huge difference there, @speCulatius (thanks a lot!) offered to repeat the same experiment with two of his Adidas P8 and the numbers also showed a difference at around 60 Hz in the starting value.
Even up to the level that I cheated with a fixed clamp when switching to the crosses to avoid a double pull (almost in the center of the head with this pattern) and ensure that the lower tension was directly coming from the flying clamps.Pattern and process details were identical best possible (Haribito 1-Piece, no added tension before tie-off knots, no double pulls).
...sorry...you could have done that, Simon
Funny enough, it was a lot easier to get usable readings by measuring the recorded pings coming out of the laptop speakers than measuring the actual racket live. Surprises after surprises.It should be said that I had issues measuring the ping myself. I tried several apps, but couldn't get any usable reading whatsoever. Recording the pings and having Simon measure them worked just fine though.
It could be interesting to have your feeling about the two rackets you used for this experiment in play, during a game session. (the hidden question could be : "does a racket stringed with flying clamps feel the same as a racket stringed with fixed clamps at 2 or 3 Lbs less tension ?")Maybe I should add the details if anybody is interested (you could have done that, Simon):
Rackets: 2 x Adidas Wucht P8 3U
String: Gosen G-Tone 5 (0.65 mm), yellow
Stringer: myself, not Simon
Machine: SuperStringer T20 Dropweight machine w/ Chudeks aka Simon's old machine
Even up to the level that I cheated with a fixed clamp when switching to the crosses to avoid a double pull (almost in the center of the head with this pattern) and ensure that the lower tension was directly coming from the flying clamps.
Tension: 13kp squared
It should be said that I had issues measuring the ping myself. I tried several apps, but couldn't get any usable reading whatsoever. Recording the pings and having Simon measure them worked just fine though. Thinking about it, that also gives it to the same human factor to make the reading "errors", so that might have been a good idea anyway. I used my regular rackets, so I cannot ensure that they're played evenly, but it was more about the ping right off the machine.
Flying: 1408 Hz
Fixed: 1468 Hz
Difference: 60 Hz
I did string with flying clamps for the first two years of my stringing "career" and I was still awfully familiar to it. It did feel wrong, though.
I played both rackets yesterday and I cannot complain about either one. I cannot really say more, because I recently moved to a very different climate than I'm used to and the hall needs some time to adapt as well (the lighting is terrible) and it was my first time playing here.It could be interesting to have your feeling about the two rackets you used for this experiment in play, during a game session. (the hidden question, is "does a racket stringed with flying clamps feel the same as a racket stringed with fixed clamps at 2 or 3 Lbs less tension ?")
This will be very interesting and is something i'm looking forward to!I've decided that there will be one last experiment before this thread will be concluded: Constant pull vs. lockout.
Done with a WISE of course, but should be okay to get a feel for how much a (well calibrated) lockout tensioner is losing compared to a constant pull machine. I will reduce the experiment to 1 week since the previous data has shown that the most movement is happening within the first 5 days after the string job.
Here's how the reading looks like with the constant pull feature disabled:
Anyone wants to take a guess regarding the starting value?
There is still hope that there will be other ones, now that you have initiated this thread (you or someone else could for example add this one : Dropweight VS Wise)I've decided that there will be one last experiment before this thread will be concluded: Constant pull vs. lockout.
Working with a dropweight, I don't think there's a ton of value in that. I know that my dropweight pulls slightly higher than the scale says (almost exactly the correct value when the gripper is horizontal on the racket side, iirc, the further it comes to the dropweight side, the more it gets), but not enough for me to want to change anything. So I can "change" the tension by roughly 1 lbs pulled, depending on where the gripper is... with the position of the sticker varying even slightly between machines, different grippers, different people operating the machines, I think there is too much variation even when fixing some of the variables.Dropweight VS Wise
I completely agree with you. There is probably no interest in this experiment (dropweight VS Wise), the human factor is too important, when using the dropweight. Perhaps the little difference would be the constant pulling of the Wise, probably more efficient than the dropweight.I think there is too much variation even when fixing some of the variables.
Where would you expect a difference is coming from, assuming that both machines are calibrated exactly the same?
I completely agree with you. There is probably no interest in this experiment (dropweight VS Wise), the human factor is too important, when using the dropweight. Perhaps the little difference would be the constant pulling of the Wise, probably more efficient than the dropweight.