OG12 MEN's Singles Finals

[nooooooooooo]

If LCW was superior to LD as a player then their head2head record would show that. You can stick your head in the sand all day doing deep analysis of all the factors affecting the matches but at the end of the day those factors are all part of sport. Sport is not players playing in perfect laboratory conditions.

 

[galaxyduo]

Those analysis indicate LCW is superior to LD as a player but LD wins because his coaches do very detailed homework and help him strategise all the way, especially the finish. Whereas LCW s coaches don t even know the importance of closing out a match, so LCW has to figure out the finishing during play. But if LCW has MFrost for major tournament coach, it will be scary for CHN. But that won t happen because BAM would rather lose than let MF have the opportunity to claim credit for LCW s victory. So, enjoy and be happy.

Yes, LCW is a better player than LD but LD's coaches are better than LCW's coaches so that's why LD wins. Please keep up your comments pjswift!

 

[yayachico]

I thought LCW only got better since few years back but LD was already a superior player long long time ago when most of the people outside malaysia don't even know who LCW is... The H2H records existed way when they started playing each other and that time, yes, LD was alot alot alot better than him. So its normal for LD to have so many wins against LCW in the H2H.. But until 2008 or so, LCW improved alot and manage to match LD. Still, the H2H favours LD. I remember someone in this forum said that LCW can never beat LD more than once a year. So I'm a little confused here. Isn't LD a better player? or maybe LD's style of play is a problem to LCW's?? Thats why LCW finds it so hard to beat him?? like how PSH used to beat LD last time?

 

[yayachico]

thats just my opinion though.. I think both are great players of this era and i have great respects for them both. I'm happy for LD but sad for LCW at the same time, I hope they will continue to shine and bring us more exciting matches in the future. Though some might attribute LD's wins to luck, LCW's mental weakness and all the ****, I say they both worked hard and deserves to be on the top of the podium. Its really heartbreaking to see some people discredit a win by saying luck, crowd, mental, "the stare", injuries and all, i mean come on, which player doesn't carry injuries??

 

[bad's fan]

IF LCW is really that superior as your research has told you (I dare you to post your PHD research paper on this subject in this forum), then why has LD always been the winner up to this point when going against LCW in the biggest of matches namely the 2012 Olympic Games and the 2011 World Championships finals (notice that I'm avoiding the 2010 Asian Games, 2008 Olympic Games finals because of your habit of dismissing them as oh, they were held in China blah blah blah)?

hmm, someone may tell you then that it's because LD's luck, LD's superior fantastic fans, or LD's teammates. you will better be ready.

what is great about LD haters is that whenever LD lost to LCW, they will say that LCW deserved it, he is the best player. but when their 'best player' lost to LD, the haters will never ran out of excuse to take away all the credit from LD as the better player that day.

 

[cobalt]

but hope it's not all because luck.

Let me put it this way...
even when you gamble, you don't ever do it blindly. You work the odds, use stats, use your mind; in short, you utilize all your available resources. Even so, things don't always go your way.

So, just in case you have misunderstood or misinterpreted my words, (because you have brought this "luck" up in your subsequent posts) no it's not all luck. I don't think anyone would be lunatic enough to suggest that. I'm sure you read my entire post, because you did take the trouble of editing it in your reply. You would know that I have not attempted to discredit LD of his win in any way. Have I put your mind at ease, now?

 

[yayachico]

Let me put it this way...
even when you gamble, you don't ever do it blindly. You work the odds, use stats, use your mind; in short, you utilize all your available resources. Even so, things don't always go your way.

So, just in case you have misunderstood or misinterpreted my words, (because you have brought this "luck" up in your subsequent posts) no it's not all luck. I don't think anyone would be lunatic enough to suggest that. I'm sure you read my entire post, because you did take the trouble of editing it in your reply. You would know that I have not attempted to discredit LD of his win in any way. Have I put your mind at ease, now?

No, dont say that... LCW and his two lovely coaches said after the match : in the end, luck again, favours LD...
So dont call anyone lunatic here.

 

[Blitzzards]

So, just in case you have misunderstood or misinterpreted my words, (because you have brought this "luck" up in your subsequent posts) no it's not all luck. I don't think anyone would be lunatic enough to suggest that. I'm sure you read my entire post, because you did take the trouble of editing it in your reply. You would know that I have not attempted to discredit LD of his win in any way. Have I put your mind at ease, now?

Pardon me sir cobalt, but would you dare to call Seri Najib Tun Razak a lunatic for such a suggestion? He has even suggested that LCW should carry on fighting till Rio 2016 where "luck may be on his side", even when LCW himself has contemplated on retiring depending on the Asian Games 2014 outcome.

Talk about mental pressure. Now things are just starting to get serious


Chong Wei receives RM500,000 for Olympic silver win

Monday August 13, 2012

PUTRAJAYA: National shuttler Lee Chong Wei received RM500,000 yesterday for his silver medal win in the London Olympics.

The reward was presented by Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak in a ceremony at Seri Perdana, which was also attended by his wife Datin Seri Rosmah Mansor.

The reward comprised RM300,000 from the National Sports Council’s Incentive Scheme and RM200,000 from the Malaysian government in the form of Amanah Saham Wawasan.

Apart from that, Chong Wei also received a watch from Rosmah, who is also the Badminton Association of Malaysia’s (BAM) patron.

Silver well earned: Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak and wife Datin Seri Rosmah Mansor taking a look at Lee Chong Wei’s Olympic silver medal. — Bernama

In a short speech, the Prime Minister congratulated Chong Wei on his success and was confident it would strengthen his resolve to achieve further success in the 2016 Olympics.

“Maybe LUCK wasn’t on his side to win the gold but he fought right to the end. It showed how serious he was and I hope he will go on to achieve even bigger success,” he said.

Najib also agreed with a proposal to set up a National Badminton Academy at the Juara Stadium Badminton Training Centre in Bukit Kiara.

Chong Wei, 30, said he would consider the wishes of the Prime Minister to deliver the country’s first gold medal at the Rio de Janeiro Olympics.

“I’m grateful to the Prime Minister and his wife for the reward, I will be saving the money. Even though I didn’t bring back a gold medal, the government still supports me. I have tried my best,” he said.

“I will look at my performance over the next two years and at the Asian Games in Incheon, South Korea, and Commonwealth Games in Glasgow, both in 2014. If my fitness permits, I will continue till the 2016 Olympics,” he said. – Bernama

 

[bad's fan]

So, just in case you have misunderstood or misinterpreted my words, (because you have brought this "luck" up in your subsequent posts) no it's not all luck. I don't think anyone would be lunatic enough to suggest that. I'm sure you read my entire post, because you did take the trouble of editing it in your reply. You would know that I have not attempted to discredit LD of his win in any way. Have I put your mind at ease, now?

i get your post of course. what i mean with that one post of mine which you quoted was that i hope it's not the luck who 'controlled' the whole story, and i would happier if it's not only luck who ended the match. just it, nothing personal.
peace

 

[bad's fan]

He has even suggested that LCW should carry on fighting till Rio 2016 where "luck may be on his side", even when LCW himself has contemplated on retiring depending on the Asian Games 2014 outcome.

is it just me or LCW and LD has starting became some kind of medals hunter machines for both BAM and CBA? looks like their reason to fighting for medals now is a little more for their associations (and also nations) than their personal desire. but hope i'm wrong on this.

 

[BaggedCat]

Theres no such thing as luck.

"you make your own luck"
"fortune favours the great"
"diligence is the mother of luck"

'luck' is just probability of things going your way. you can change these probabilities. saying LD has more luck is just saying LD is better. LCW supporters make it sound like LD supporters are saying LCW is rubbish.no. LCW is great. its just that LD is great +1.

attributing LCW losses to anything other than LD was better on the day is just rubbish.

its like saying i am a better player than LCW even though he'd beat me 10000000 - 0, but its because hes got better coaches than me. and fans. and he'd beat me cos he has luck..... but im the better palyer.

 

[pjswift]

except one? just one? which one is that lucky one? because i think there are already at least 3, AG 2010, WC 2011, and OG 2012. but i may wrong of course.

Great, that s good you pointed out LD defeated LCW 3 times out of 21 without assists or 18 times out of 21 with assists. That means LD has improved. My apologies.

 

[bad's fan]

Great, that s good you pointed out LD defeated LCW 3 times out of 21 without assists or 18 times out of 21 with assists. That means LD has improved. My apologies.

wait, LD still improved. i forget he also won over LCW in TC 2010, 2011 HK open and 2011 CHN open. ah, not that bad.

 

[Fortune]

lee chong wei might need to refound his 12-20 down to lindan in malaysia open 2006 final and chase back and win spirit

The miracle that never happened again in 6 years.

 

[Fortune]

hmm,only 8 out of 21 lin dan victory is outside china.while lcw won 7 out of 9 outside malaysia.

Lin Dan win 9 times against LCW outside "China and the region (HK, Macau, Taiwan)", not only 8. Also, Lin Dan vs LCW in Malaysia = 2 - 2, means 50% - 50%. If LCW can make it 50% - 50% in "China and the region", so their H2H should be 15 - 15, right ? And after so many helps by BWF to LCW during 2011 World Championships, from QF to Final, LCW should win over Lin Dan, so their H2H should be 16 - 14 in favor for LCW. LCW has 7 - 8 hours extra rest compare to Cordon, CJ and Lin Dan . 2011 World Championships final proves that LCW was very weak compare to Lin Dan hahaha . No TXH, no LYB, less time for rest, but still Lin Dan become the champion hahaha

 

[Fortune]

For Asia players : AE, WC,AG,OG are the 4 major titles.For European players : AE, WC, OG are the 3 major titles.The non Asians will and have argued that AG is not major title cos it does not include players from whole world.

Which Asia players ? Surely most of it not from China and Korea, bcoz for many of them, All England only a small title, no wonder Swedish Open / Germany open that held one week before AE was dominated by the players from both countries. You can check the winner of both tourneys

 

[Fortune]

AE is not up there with the WC and the Olympic son, and that's a fact. Yes , is one of the top super-series premier event but is in a different class to the WC and the Olympic.........

That is not a fact, just your opinion. Anyways why would you care what "non-badminton fans" knew or didn't know about badminton?

That's right ! AE is not in the same class with OG and WC. AE is in the same class with the other SSP. And that's the fact.http://www.bwfbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=15370

 

[Fortune]

haha,at least there is 2 out of ur 'everybody' are not agree with u.wc/og got restriction of country player while ae dont,and it already had more than hundred year,had been treated as world championship for about 70 years?

China suffers the most from the restrictions in OG / WC, while AE don't, but for China, AE is only mickey mouse title. WYH win AE, WSX even can't win a single match in AE, but WSX = pre-A player, WYH only as B class player . The winner of OG / WC automatically graded as A class player

 

[Fortune]

It s good you enjoy my comments even when they re not what you expect. But mine will differ from yours because I watched those tournaments courtside so I could observe what s not on TV whilst you see what the TV editors decide for you. And the H2H of 21 to 9 for LD to LCW is a superficial fact. That s what TV commentators are only capable of. There are many ways to analyse numbers. When you go deeper, the picture is revealing. Eg. Limsy unearthed the fact that 8 out of LD s 21 wins were outside China ( meaning most of LD s advantage over LCW is because of CHN crowd) whereas 7 out of LCW s 9 wins were outside Malaysia ( meaning dominant MAS crowd is not key to LCW s success.) And if you were to analyse each tournament win further, the picture will emerge that LD s wins over LCW were with teammate assists except one.

Lin Dan vs LCW : in Malaysia = 2 - 2, in neutral ground = 7 - 7, in China and the region (HK, Macau, Taiwan) = 12 - 0 . Actually, Lin Dan and team mates doesn't have home ground advantages in HK, Macau and Taiwan (HMT), bcoz they have their own Badminton Association and players, chasing for their own glory. So what is the advantage for China players ? For me personally, HMT = neutral ground for CHN players.

And if you were to break down each match, you will find some pattern which CHN coaches know ( but of course Rashid wouldn t have a clue because he s not capable of deep thought.) That s why we have different views. You re not wrong because you see what s on the surface, I m not wrong because I do deep data research. Those analysis indicate LCW is superior to LD as a player but LD wins because his coaches do very detailed homework and help him strategise all the way, especially the finish. Whereas LCW s coaches don t even know the importance of closing out a match, so LCW has to figure out the finishing during play. But if LCW has MFrost for major tournament coach, it will be scary for CHN. But that won t happen because BAM would rather lose than let MF have the opportunity to claim credit for LCW s victory. So, enjoy and be happy.

Lin Dan coach from 2004 : LYB, Zhong Bo, TXH, Li Zhifeng, XXZ. LCW coach from 2004 or 2005 : Li Mao, Misbun, Rashid, TSB. Result : except 2007, LCW can only win once per year against Lin Dan LOL . Blame LCW, and not his coach

 

[Fortune]

Great, that s good you pointed out LD defeated LCW 3 times out of 21 without assists or 18 times out of 21 with assists. That means LD has improved. My apologies.

2005 : Hong Kong. 2006 : AE, Macau, HK. 2009 : Sudirman Cup. 2010 : Thomas Cup. 2011 : Korea SSP & World Championships. 2012 : AE & Olympics.