Lee Chong Wei ( 李宗伟 )

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  1. zhuangcorp

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    After the 2012 Olympics WD controversy, Gill Clark couldn't stop talking about YY/WXL and their scandal. For whatever reason, she rarely mentioned the 2 korean teams and the 1 Indonesian team involved in said scandal.

    I wonder how Gill Clark will talk about the LCW controversy during her casts.
     
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    I understand this pretty well.
    I've already said what I think: The athlete is responsible!
    For purely practicl reasons! If the doctor could be made responsible, I would dope like a maniac, my doctor would say "I've injected it to him, he didn't know!", I would fire him and go on with another doctor.

    The athlete has to take care that his medical staff is competent.
    In this case, the doctor is (maybe) responsible for the drug in LCSw blood, LCW is responsible for choosing the medical staff, therefore, LCW is responsible for the dopning test.

    You can't ban the doctor or BAM. In the end, it always has to be the athlete that is responsible and therefore banned.

    You may find this unfair, but it's the only practical solution in a world where everyone cheats and lies.
     
  3. visor

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    Straws and poppyseed... Lol... :)
     
  4. AlanY

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    one more time

    and the japanese pair that lost on purpose to the taiwanese pair thus ensure a easier path to final. they are the one gained most
     
  5. Loh

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    It puzzles me if what Razif said is true that LCW had been associated with that drug for so long and went undetected until recently.

    Mind you he has been WR1 for a record period (years) and has participated in so many official international tournaments, how can WADA fail to find out? There must be a residual of that drug even after a prescribed period as is the case now, even if it is allowed out-of-competition.

    Could it be that his private 'foreign' doctor/s who administered the banned drug were so confident that he would continue to be "undetected" that they overestimated their calculations?
     
  6. visor

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    One more time :

    Glucocortico steroids do not enhance performance.

    They are for recovery. And as such are allowed in out of competition.

    If necessary during competition period, TUE must and will be applied for. Such as if the athlete has eczema, or asthma, or allergies. Etc

    Please read my posts in the last page.
     
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  7. visor

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    Razif and some of the media are just guilty of being ignorant. Not knowing the different classes if steroid. And of being stupid enough to be quoted and go on the record to make a statement, when he doesn't know what he's talking about.
     
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    may be it's acceptable for getting the drug fact wrong.

    but not the badminton fact as well!
     
  9. visor

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    Razif is pretty bold to be willing to be quoted like that. Will see in a week whether it'll bite him in the butt ... when all this is sorted out and all the facts come out...
     
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  10. pcll99

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    I am starting to have more and more sympathy for the private specialist stem cell doctor.

    NSI blames him (for obvious reasons). But he can't hit back because of doctor-patient confidentiality.

    But LCW must realise that the private doctor is the single most important person in his life now.
     
  11. Justin L

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    Looks like Razif Sidek has unwittingly stirred up a hornet's nest.
     
  12. nokh88

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    The Sidek brothers are not in good terms. Rashid is LCW's coach.
     
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    has misbun said anything?
     
  14. visor

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    Anyone smart enough will not say anything on the record. Especially since there's not enough information around. And BWF hearing is coming soon.

    For us to speculate and discuss on forums is fine, but not to go onto media print...
     
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    They enhance recovery and dampen pain. If this ain't performance enhancement...
    That's the reason why they are not allowed in competition. And LCW had the substance in his body during competition. Therefore, it can be correctly argued that this is illegal performance enhancement.
     
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    That article been's out since more than 2 weeks ago, the original article was in malay.
    After that, been quiet on Razif's side.
     
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    Nope, none whatsoever.
     
  18. visor

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    Yes, we've been through this discussion before. In competition, out of competition. He's guilty of out of competition use of dexamethasone. No doubt about that.

    What remains is that LCW has to prove that was not his intention. Simple as that. This is the mitigation part. And would involve examining his treatment records at the private hospital to see what was used and why it could possibly be unintentionally still be present 6 wks later.

    Unless LCW had always been using this drug and has managed to escape detection in those hundreds of times he was tested over the last 15 yrs....

    No doubt too that he will receive some sort of punishment or ban time, as an infraction has occurred. The question is how long and that would totally absolutely completely depend on his intent. And whether BWF and WADA chooses to believe him
     
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    are you sure that is so? In fact, I have been wondering on the exact reason myself.

    Enhance recovery - many medicines do that. There is an IOC document that an athlete has the foremost right to their health. Recovery means gettin back to the normal state - not above the normal state

    Reduce pain - I don't think some painkillers are banned substances. E.g. Paracetamol (Tylenol), NSAIDs.

    It also puzzles me why intramuscular admin is banned.

    I also know that there is a body of argument for dexamethasone not to be on the banned list.

    For some substances, it is pretty obvious why they are on the banned list. For dexamethasone, not really sure.
     
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  20. Justin L

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    If what Razif said is true, we should respect and admire his courage and honesty; if false or unfounded, then we can question his motives and credibility. What does he gain from going public with it? Only he knows. And I'm pretty sure he is fully aware of the risks of being sued for slander.
     

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