LCW Is Fury Now

eaglehelang said:
Talent is part of it me thinks. Seems the more talented ones chose to specialize in MD. After seeing how their seniors are doing, I wouldnt be surprised. Teo Kok Siang used to be MS. Another one of the 3 pairs too, GWS I think.

Like ye333 said, cannot be all lazy(err, maybe not so smart player lah), then how come MD back up seem motivated, work hard. It's not just the competition in MD or lack of in MS. The muskeeters, after all their years of trying, dont think they will ever make it. Unlike their peers, juniors in MD, XD who will win something every year, at least some light in the tunnel to think that they will make it some day.

Rebel? Like Ah Koo? :p:p
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yew hong kheng,twice ajc md runner up and 2010 wjc md winner is also a former ms player

btw,tan chun seang started his college life now
wonder we will see another drama in bam ms department next year
 
So you are saying they are more talented than junior players from other countries? Honestly I don't think there is much difference... Players like HH or TH excelled at the senior level with "some talent and decent effort".

I think the problem here is not that those "back-up" players are not as good as LCW... It is clear that they are not as talented as LCW or HH, so it should be expected that they cannot reach as high.

The real question is, why cannot they reach the level of not-so-talented players as, say, OEH, or more importantly, why do they even lose the desire to do so? There can be many reasons.

For example, is it because LCW is too good? Thinking about it, I realize that LYB often say things like "CJ and CL are at the same level as LD" (and got laughed at by fans), but I have never heard any MAS coach say similar things to encourage their players. If the teacher put all praises to the best student and ignore others, it is almost certain other students will stop working.

jimbo said:
To excel at junior level, some talent with decent effort may bring them up there... however, to excel at the senior and International levels, one needs the "x-factor"... perhaps these batch of junior and/or back-up squad do NOT have the x-factor...

No choice... keeping finding the hidden gem... and explore the next LCW... BOLEH :)
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maybe it has something to do with mas population of players starting from the grassroots.

there ain't many and selections for bjss/bam training was based on tournament results and not to mention other things..

if there were no priority given to talent over physically fitter players then whoever took over them has to produce some magic..:D

and if such magic can produce results, we won't be here discussing ..lol
 
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If according to LCW young players dont understand their sport well enough

to know why they won and why they lost they must really be lost.

LCW and WCH always had the initiative and motivation to look for answers to puzzles

for self-improvement.

I personally know 1 or 2 of the doubles players, and they are always talking shop and how they

can uplift their game and move up,it is surprisingly different.
 
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jug8man said:
Besides what's mentioned by Dato', I'd like to highlight another disease in the BAM setup. A disease not limited to the players but some so called chief coach & ex Jagoh.

this disease is the 'Junior Senior Mentality'. the players are classifying and being classifying themselves between the two categories...
(snipe)
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jug8man said:
They are neither.

they are just not obsessed with the game enough...
(snipe)
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jug8man said:
(snipe)

after 3-4 years this Ex National Jagoh with zero results as a coach from any1 of his players, and plenty of politiking was made to become the new chief coach of BAM MS.

And this is just at coaching/mid -lower management level
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I think jug8man, ye333 and Fidget have done a very good job in underlying the problem of MAS MS backups. I applaud them for constructing some very sound and logical arguments in addressing the problems unlike some posters who just throw in the mocks for the sake of mocking. Basically I don't think the backups are lazy. However, like jug8man highlighted, they are probably not as hungry as the other youngsters from the other countries(i.e they tried to have a life outside of badminton while the others don't have a choice).

I was told that getting into colleges and graduating from them are not that difficult at all in Malaysia as they have tons of public and private institutes around the country. This explain why the youngsters thought that they could take things easy and always have something to fall back to. In China, those who don't make the cut have to end up as pizza delivery boys/girls. CBA might have produced 5 out of 10 top players in the world but they might have also make another group of people redundant simultaneously, which are 100 times of the size of what they produced in the badminton world.

ye333 said:
For example, is it because LCW is too good? Thinking about it, I realize that LYB often say things like "CJ and CL are at the same level as LD" (and got laughed at by fans), but I have never heard any MAS coach say similar things to encourage their players. If the teacher put all praises to the best student and ignore others, it is almost certain other students will stop working.
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And no, I don't think LYB was joking when he said that CJ and CL are close to LD standard. They all could play the game at very high tempo and have excellent techniques. The only subtle differences among them are shot selections, mental strength and choice to construct rallies in a game(tactics), which are the fields where Lin Dan excels in. If the young players wish to be a world beater, working on fitness and techniques alone are not enough. They must also be able to analyze their game(which LCW has highlighted in the press) and improve on their tactics and constantly find ways to up their games. Sound easy on paper, but is actually the toughest part to work on(compared to fitness and tehcniques) in the reality especially you have to maintain the high motivation all the time.
 
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Bbn said:
I personally know 1 or 2 of the doubles players, and they are always talking shop and how they

can uplift their game and move up,it is surprisingly different.
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The young ones or senior ones ? You know lah, the youngsters stimes feel awkward to hang around us 'older' fans :p:p
But yeah, I have heard the Msia young doubles players, explaining to parents & relatives, the specifics of the game, while their team mates are on court. Rojak language aside, I'll say they can commentate better than Hasbullah Awang, lol.
 
eaglehelang said:
The young ones or senior ones ? You know lah, the youngsters stimes feel awkward to hang around us 'older' fans :p:p
But yeah, I have heard the Msia young doubles players, explaining to parents & relatives, the specifics of the game, while their team mates are on court. Rojak language aside, I'll say they can commentate better than Hasbullah Awang, lol.
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Hasbullah Awang rocks! So excitable! :p
 
nokh88 said:
Ney... he sucks. I rather switch of the volume. What he is commenting, we can see on the screen.
Our Bcers members can do better. One fine example is abedeng.
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Itu satu smash yang cantik, tetapi keluar...(good smash , but out)
GOA Ling, BOA Chun Lai
 
danielwong said:
Itu satu smash yang cantik, tetapi keluar...(good smash , but out)
GOA Ling, BOA Chun Lai
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LOL..Maybe he was refering to the execution of the smash which was very beautiful (cantik) but he doesn't know that it's useless if the shuttle lands outside of the playing area. For all you know, he may still thinks he is right because the opponent were not able to retrive the shot. LOL:D
 
nokh88 said:
Ney... he sucks. I rather switch of the volume. What he is commenting, we can see on the screen.
Our Bcers members can do better. One fine example is abedeng.
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yes, based on adebeng write up during live commentary i think he speaks even better :D
 
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Good for BAM to find some professional motivational consultant to guide them. Like climbing some mountains expedition to show them how hard it is and make them appreciate how it is easier to play badminton. Or bring them to army camp for some torturing? No pain, no gain. Need to teach them a lesson. (Motivational) ;)

Or put them in an island just like those survivors with out much food. This will psyc them up when they return. ;) Too much of a good life in city. Must put BAM in some isolated island to make them appreciate life in the city. If they don't perform, they don't get the chance to enjoy the good life. ;) Any better suggestions?
 
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Amazing Race seems nice now that's gonna tests their nerves & how to act & what to do when facing tough times ~~
 
thats a good idea but make sure the trainees are looking forward for such challenges

and understand the concept of it.

no commmunications breaks down of course:D
 
My guess is you need someone at the highest level which is a WC or OG champion. Of some big coaches or motivational speakers who did it at the top. AFF is just a small 'kici mayung' tournament. Anyone can win it. IMO. ;)
 
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