Indonesia Open Finals Day

[hcyong]

china is huge, lolx....
there's this time where i was watching this MD match between china and korea, and i was wondering... what if china is being divided up according to their provinces? will they still be a superpower in badminton and other sports?

because so many of their players come from all the provinces, so maybe their strength will be dispersed if china breaks up.

but the chinese (china nationals) are better athletes, generally speaking. their tough training schedule is soooo infamous that i think it's not for those who can't bear hardship...

yep, Soni is really inconsistent. will perspire if you see him play.
but i think badminton overall need to have some revamp to make the competition among all countries stronger.

I really hope China won't be broken up into provinces. There is only this number of Olympic spots. As it is, the whole of China is just limited to 3 spots per event and that gives other countries some chance.

I think the competition between the provinces are very intense. Even the second-rate shuttlers are good enough especially the women, which other countries seem to relatively neglect. For instance, they go to Singapore, France or Hong Kong and make a name for themselves there.

 

[flikflak]

There is nothing wrong with Taufik except that he wasted 6 years during which he could have won everything. But he is his own enemy and a sourpuss - sulks all the time. Has he ever looked friendly and smiling happy? Kuncorro is young and he has partly the same problem as BCL - they are too tall for the optimal bandminton height. Look at them going down for the short corners -like giraffes. LD just needs a few lessons in humility; he is very unpleasent to watch when he plas or when he talks. As for the MD, Cai/Fu seem to have reached a plateau and Sang/Zheng are stale and not performing.Apart from the China Open, the Chinese youngsters in all disciplines have not been given a chance and those who have a chance are awestruck or maybe not good enough. I wait for the curtain to rise or a sign that I misread everything - would that it were true.

You could look him smiling happy and friendly at proffesional players forum, even though he smiled because there's Hongyan next to him, hoho...

I don;t think he wasted the six years whole??? I thought he began wasting his time from year 2001 or 2002??! just three years.

In 1999, 2000 he managed to reach All England but lost painfully to Gade and 2001 reaching semifinal WC but lost to Hendrawan who very rarely defeated him because of injury.

 

[jump_smash]

I can't believe some of you are actually harking the death of China's men's team. Chinese men consist 3 of the 4 semifinalists in the Indonesian Open, and they have title-winning juniors coming up right behind them.

It is hard to deny Taufik on his own turf, yet Lin Dan stretched him fully and Chen Hong did not do too bad against him. Who knows what would have happened if Bao Chunlai were to face him?

Indonesia has Taufik and an inconsistent Sony and one or two unproven juniors. Denmark has a couple of ageing stars and no apparent juniors. Malaysia has two players who are just merely showing potential. As for Korea, who knows what's happening in there now.

It's a different story with doubles, but China has always won the Thomas Cup with the strength of singles, with some reliable doubles sometimes.

Yes, there is no death for Chinese Men, plenty waiting in wings, after Lin Dan and Chen Hong burn out before Olympics.

I can't believe the statements about Taufik not being able to beat Lin Dan outside of Indonesia. Lin Dan is not imortal - look at the suprises


OLYMPIC GAMES 2004 Aug 2004
1/32 loss to 12/15,10/15 Ronald SUSILO

Proton-Eon MALAYSIA OPEN 2004 Jun 2004
Quarter-Finals loss to 12/15,5/15 Sung Hwan PARK

YONEX OPEN JAPAN 2004 Apr 2004
Semi-Finals loss to 13/15,10/15 Chunlai BAO

Taufik played the perfect game - patience, keeping the shuttle low, just what Peter couldn't maintain against Lin in All England this year!

 

[kwun]

I agree about being nice to the loser, but its Xie's turn to have a place in the sun. Did you emphatize with her when she went down again and again to the big 3? Say nice things to comfort her in all these 2.3 years?
Basically, Hirose was a surprise and not in the same league. Let it be said. Let it be done. But we only talk about it and have no role in doing it.

actually, i am a big fan of Xie... you'd know if you read enough of my posts...

but while we are happy for Xie to win, we must all respect that Hirose despite being a less known player managed to beat many worthy opponent to get to the finals.

 

[suetyan]

i confidence that Xie will win but can't think that she dun giv Hiroes some chance too in second round , juz beat her with 11 - 0 , but Hiroes still is a new player , not enough experience yet , but Hiroes can qualify to final is a good news for japan . anyway Xie win , me very very happy , coz i am her fans too !

 

[Fook90]

Yea, I wonder why.... Like in the umm TC 2004.... They lost directly straight sets in the final from Danish pair.

I thought it's a big chance for them to win in Indonesia, but they lost again.

Actually even bigger possibility for China to cleansweep all titles if only Bao advanced to final.

Lucky Bao did not win Chen Hong in the semi-final. Or else Taufik may not win the title. I think Bao is the only person who wins Taufik in head-to-heads -- 4-2

 

[martinus]

congrats to my Fav Alven Yulianto / Luluk Hadiyanto also for Taufik Hidayat.
Alven/ Luluk.....u hv a great revans !!!

 

[jump_smash]

Lucky Bao did not win Chen Hong in the semi-final. Or else Taufik may not win the title. I think Bao is the only person who wins Taufik in head-to-heads -- 4-2

Don't know this is subjective as they only met twice this year, China Open and Thomas Cup finals. Even though China Open was last November and Bao won it, it was three sets (10-15, 15-3, 15-12) so relatively close.
While Thomas was in May and Bao winning, the first set tight(15-13, 15-6)

 

[b0urg301s13]

does anyone know where can i find pictures of the indonesian open? thx!

 

[SmartCivet]

The china no.1 MD team seems never win any series title,quite a pity

No! You forgot something!

CAI/FU beat ALVEN/LULUK in the final to win the MD title at 2004 SWISS Open.

 

[jump_smash]

No! You forgot something!

CAI/FU beat ALVEN/LULUK in the final to win the MD title at 2004 SWISS Open.

THOMAS CUP FINALS
2004 7 May 2004 -

defeated
15/13,15/11 Dong Soo LEE (KOR), Dong Moon KIM (KOR)
15/4,15/5 Tadashi OHTSUKA (JPN), Keita MASUDA (JPN)
15/12,15/13 Kevin (Qi) HAN (USA), Howard BACH (USA)
15/9,15/10 Luluk HADIYANTO (INA), Yulianto ALVEN (INA)

only losing to
16/17,6/15 Lars PAASKE (DEN), Jonas RASMUSSEN (DEN)

 

[flikflak]

So Taufik and Luluk/Alvent received bonuses that Jakarta Governor promised

The same amount as Indonesia Open champion prize.

In other words, their prizes are doubled.....

 

[aiyuuw]

So Taufik and Luluk/Alvent received bonuses that Jakarta Governor promised

The same amount as Indonesia Open champion prize.

In other words, their prizes are doubled.....

well,good for them then face it, it motivates players to win titles when the prize money is doubled,the bonus started since candra/sigit's victory in china, that means taufik(io),candra/sigit(co),nova/lilyana(so),and luluk/alven(io & so) are the players who received the money so far

 

[Rainofserenity]

Just deal with IT! Taufik Hidiyat is good and he proves us already! i don't think BCL will be able to beat him, since he's improving.. and stop talking about the bad sides of TH, cause a defeat is a defeat.. just wait until next time, and then talk about it.. please.... you guys are so kiddy...

 

[aiyuuw]

Just deal with IT! Taufik Hidiyat is good and he proves us already! i don't think BCL will be able to beat him, since he's improving.. and stop talking about the bad sides of TH, cause a defeat is a defeat.. just wait until next time, and then talk about it.. please.... you guys are so kiddy...

yeah,true!true!but its people's opinions so we have to respect that, but me, i think taufik is great player, and we have to accept that, and he's been doing good lately after olympic triumph (sf in co, and winner in io),so i guess(or think) he has changed for the better,dont be so hard to him,lets just wait wat's next from him,,,,peace out

 

[koboduck]

Agree with the Taufik & LD statements. However, Kuncoro being too tall is BS (he is only 1.76 which makes him shorter than f.e. Gade, young Hashim, and many Chinese players, let alone legends like Zhao, Frost or Hoyer). Kuncoro himself admitted - probably rightly so - that compared to some other top players like Taufik, Lin, Gade he is less talented, but compensates a lot by working hard. He has a persistent kind of game that troubles some players: like Gade, who has said that Sony's slowed down game doesn't suit him, because he (Gade) likes faster paced rallies. But apart from this quality, Sony has very few special strokes or weapons for a world class player. He performs well when outrallying other top players when they are a little short of their peaks (less important events).

There is nothing wrong with Taufik except that he wasted 6 years during which he could have won everything. But he is his own enemy and a sourpuss - sulks all the time. Has he ever looked friendly and smiling happy? Kuncorro is young and he has partly the same problem as BCL - they are too tall for the optimal bandminton height. Look at them going down for the short corners -like giraffes. LD just needs a few lessons in humility; he is very unpleasent to watch when he plas or when he talks. As for the MD, Cai/Fu seem to have reached a plateau and Sang/Zheng are stale and not performing.Apart from the China Open, the Chinese youngsters in all disciplines have not been given a chance and those who have a chance are awestruck or maybe not good enough. I wait for the curtain to rise or a sign that I misread everything - would that it were true.

 

[jug8man]

Agree with the Taufik & LD statements. However, Kuncoro being too tall is BS (he is only 1.76 which makes him shorter than f.e. Gade, young Hashim, and many Chinese players, let alone legends like Zhao, Frost or Hoyer). Kuncoro himself admitted - probably rightly so - that compared to some other top players like Taufik, Lin, Gade he is less talented, but compensates a lot by working hard. He has a persistent kind of game that troubles some players: like Gade, who has said that Sony's slowed down game doesn't suit him, because he (Gade) likes faster paced rallies. But apart from this quality, Sony has very few special strokes or weapons for a world class player. He performs well when outrallying other top players when they are a little short of their peaks (less important events).

i agree. sony just doesnt have killing shots in the same class and level as taufik. thats why he gets into long hard matches when playing againts highly defensive players (eg boonsak)

but a deadly opponent none the less

jug

 

[ctjcad]

Congrats to Taufik and Luluk/Alven as well as to the other winners(WS, WD and MXD)..

Again, like i mentioned earlier, Lin Dan and his co-horts will have another chance to prove themselves against Taufik in two weeks in the Copenhagen Masters..This time it's more in a "neutral" court, so no more excused of "home" court etc.

Yah, IMO, Taufik "wasted" 2-3 yrs.(2001-2003) while his coach moved to S'pore, eventhough he was able to win the last 2 Indonesian Open..I thought his coach coming back was the "biggest" difference as well as his "metal maturity" since then..Add to that the incentives of winning double the money, sure indeed should motivate him...I also don't think BCL would have won against Taufik in this year's Indonesia Open if he would beat Chen Hong in the SF(BCL won vs. Taufik in the China Open SF because Taufik injured his foot badly).

Anyhoo, let's move on folks..Looking forward to the Copenhagen Masters in a couple weeks and then next year(ie. All England, Sudirman Cup, World Championships)..).

 

[kwun]

(i moved all the posting regarding the Copenhagen Masters to this thread:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19426

please continue the discussions on the Copenhagen Masters there.)

 

[cooler]

someone is looking fine