Hitting using hand?

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  1. visor

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    OP, do you or anyone know what was the result of it? I'm curious as to whether and how their opponents managed to argue with the umpire. And whether that player admitted to using his hand.
     
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    Well in the comments on YT by the uploader the umpire allows this "shot" and the Russians wins the point.

    Very bad umpireing.
     
  3. visor

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    ^ Wow... Just wow... Not only was the umpire not paying attention, but he also doesn't know the rules...
     
  4. alien9113

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    My understanding was the opponents did not raise this issue up with the umpire. I'm not sure if they were unaware that the shot wasn't hit by a racket, but his hand. It also appeared that the umpire allowed it.
     
  5. visor

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    No, I'm quite sure from the way they approached the umpire, they were indicating that he used his hand to hit the bird.
     
  6. 2wheels04

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    The following laws, from the BWF site <http://bit.ly/1jqJJho>, or in this forum <http://bit.ly/1cHuzkK>, apply to the scenario of the shuttle-hand touch:

    13. FAULTS
    It shall be a ‘fault’:
    ...
    13.3.5 touches the person or dress of a player;


    17. OFFICIALS AND APPEALS
    17.1 The Referee shall be in overall charge of the tournament or championship(s) of which a match forms part.
    17.2 The umpire, where appointed, shall be in charge of the match, the court and its immediate surrounds. The umpire shall report to the Referee.
    17.3 The service judge shall call service faults made by the server should they occur (Law 9.1.2 to 9.1.8).

    17.6 An umpire shall:
    17.6.1 uphold and enforce the Laws of Badminton and, especially, call a ‘fault’ or a ‘let’ should either occur;
    17.6.2 give a decision on any appeal regarding a point of dispute, if made before the next service is delivered;
    ...
    17.6.8 refer to the Referee all unsatisfied appeals on questions of law only.



    From what is seen in the clip, the mixed team player (black jerseys) brings the dispute to the umpire, and the umpire gives his decision to that appeal before the next service. So 17.6.2 is fulfilled. And since it looks like there was no unsatisfied appeals on question of law, that is, 17.6.8 did not come into effect.

    One can only show this clip to that umpire, and you can be quite certain, that umpire would readily change the decision. It just is that the umpire did not have the view the camera had.

    It is quite a learning opportunity for those aspiring to be umpires at the highest levels, to know where exactly the shuttle is at all moments, and to look for it when needed. Looking at the clip, the umpire looks at shuttle when high, but not when it was hit by the player in white.

    especially,
    17.6.8 refer to the Referee all unsatisfied appeals on questions of law only.

    see 17.1, 17.2, and 17.3 above.
    The referee could be summoned by the umpire, and until an extraordinary situation arises, a good referee will not come on court until the umpire beckons. And any service judge will be a good team mate, but will be exceeding his/her duties to make the umpire aware of this fault. Unfortunately for the players and everyone else concerned with fair play, the service judge cannot help.

    The umpires and ref do know the rules of the competition and the laws of badminton. However, think about this scene as "the umpire did not see it, so cannot take action." Recall, that on matters of fact is when the umpire makes decision. The fact in this case appears to be described well by other posters in this thread.

    The laws do not require hand, just that the shuttle touch the person, to become a fault.
     
  7. llpjlau

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    So it's just very poor sportsmanship from the player in question.
     
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    Lol, this is professional sports...
     
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    Are you insinuating that there is no sportsmanship in professional sports?
     
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    Ummm... take Lance Armstrong for example. :)

    The end justifies the means. :)
     
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    There will always be unsportsmanlike athletes. But to say that there is no sportsmanship at all in professional sports is akin to saying there is no good left in society.
     
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    Of course there is, but you should not be naive enough to believe every pro behaves in a fair manner...
     
  13. visor

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    Win at all and any cost can be the motto for some... ;)
     
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    The higher the stakes, the more so...
     
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    Wrong terminology - correct word is "gamesmanship"
     
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    The linesman at the top left can't hide his surprise - see 0:10 :D

    And, yes, both the umpire and the service judge saw the switch.
    They enjoyed it too, as did the coach!
     
  19. alien9113

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    I can't where he dropped the racket? But I saw him switched the racket from his left hand to right hand.

    That's cool though.
     
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    Actually, it flew out of his hand during the smash's follow-through, bounced off the rubber surface right into his left hand... and that's how he ended up lifting from the net with the racquet his left hand.

    Yup, uber cool stuff !
     

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