ucantseeme said:
Asking just a single person is always a good source to get a global impression of injuries.
I didn't say it was. You mentioned pro players wearing tape at the end of the forearm at the wrist. . I don't how many players you know , speak to quite a bit, and see with any regularity, that play in professional international tournaments, but I only know one such person, and I said I will ask him about the tape.e.g. if they have seen it among others they've played with on court. And that is one line of enquiry and asking about if they have seen others wearing tape. Not something one would use to conclude a "global impression of injuries". You are really going hard with the strawmanning.
And re asking about wrist injuries, bear in mind also that I have also asked here. So that's not "asking a simple person" . And i'm considering conversations that i've had with people over the years when they've had injuries.
And I have not made some kind of firm conclusion that nobody injures their wrist, but i'm asking some questions.
Ralphz said:
So you think they wear that to prevent injury to their wrists, ok,, could be.
ucantseeme said:
What do you think? Sponsor run out of sweatbands? It's a cool accessoir?
No. See what I said. I said Could be to prevent injury to their wrists.
You seem to assume it has to be the wrist it can't be anything else.
If you are asking what other possibilities are there, well, perhaps it's for their forearms. It's on the end of the forearm. Perhaps, as a google about kinesiology tape has it " to aid in faster muscle recovery" (and of course, what muscles, could be the forearm).
I do recall now once speaking to a player that didn't wear tape like that, but wore a support that covered part of their hand, and that helped their wrist, which they injured not from badminton but from falling in the street/road. A support like that would clearly be for the wrist. That clearly supported the wrist in relation to flexion and extension - actual wrist movements, wrist bending.
ucantseeme said:
To be more precise the taping prevent from to much extension and flexing. It is used for a bunch of wrist injuries. I wore it because of TFCC pain.
So this is more useful information, you've worn taping like that around the wrist. And you say you wore it specifically for wrist pain, TFCC pain. That said, you do mention that your wrist injury "came from a dive in badminton"
So I suppose you landed on your wrist. Maybe some of the pro players wear tape for that reason, injuring their wrist by landing on it.
ucantseeme said:
There are a bunch of different taping techniques even for the same joint. The wrist is very complex. much more complex than a knee or angle. So they are tons of different injuries. Just google wrist anatomy and you will find out how many bones, ligaments and tendons and nerves run there. Each one can be injured. Arthrosis and inflammations are just a small part of them.
ok. I don't doubt there are all kinds of wrist injuries. A person could even break their wrist, by landing on it or something landing on it.
And I will grant you that you could injure your wrist on a badminton court, if you dive and land on it..
ucantseeme said:
And since you use a grapping of a handle it's pretty logic that the wrist can be injured. Same like working at a computer.
Wrist related issues related to usage of keyboard and mouse are far more well known and well studied. And there are postures to know not to do like not to type while palms are resting on keyboard, because doing that for a while, can cause or contribute to RSI. And I reckon so long as people don't do that, and they don't have an existing injury, they may be fine. issues related to computer use eg typing and correct posture,
http://www.rsi.deas.harvard.edu/preventing.html are pretty well known.
You can't compare well known typing related wrist issues, with [the famous] grabbing the racket wrist issues.
When I coach teaches to squeeze the racket, I haven't heard them say "now be careful about possibly wrist injury here".
Whereas secretaries who learnt typing,e.g. in the 90s, would be told in an opening chapter about wrist posture when typing. Ditto harvard as per that link
I have known somebody who had some weakness doing that, but like you , he landed on his wrist (though not on a badminton court). He didn't get injured by squeezing his racket handle.
ucantseeme said:
Pro players were wrist braces no because of nothing.
Of course, but if you google wrist braces you get
And yeah they protect the wrist.
But the pro players you show are wearing tape that doesn't cover as much as the above, and it doesn't look like tape is thought that you show the pro players wearing, is thought of as a wrist brace
You seem to be perhaps suggesting that for your TFCC pain it was the wrist and you just wore tape. OK..
ucantseeme said:
I personally suffered from TFCC pain (came from a dive in badminton) and I had problems with my ulnar nerve (my bones are built quit tight there to cause an impigement of this nerve). The pain came weeks later. I know a person who had struggle in badminton due a tendonitis (carpal tunnel) and went for a surgery. These cases are sneaky and don't happen within seconds.
okay, in some attempt to look into this, we have two people..with a wrist issue, guy I know that injured his wrist when he fell on it in the street/road, and wore a wrist brace(not just tape). And there's you that injured your wrist falling on it from a dive, and wore tape rather like the pro players use.
There's no question that badminton wrist movements could exasperate an existing injury caused eg by landing on the wrist.
ucantseeme said:
I don't know them personally so I don't know if they had an injury or wear it to prevent an injury. No matter what, there must be a connection between badminton and injuries of the wrist and this is not related to bad technique and exclusive a beginner problem.
Sure anybody with an existing injury like falling in the street.. hurting your wrist, then even a slight movement court hurt it and it may need some support, so there'd be a connection there.
And there's no question that if you land on your wrist from a dive in badminton then that also..
But if you aren't coming in with an injury, then I can't see squeezing the handle or "grabbing the handle" as causing injury. (and no that's not a conclusion that it doesn't)
I did once have one issue that made it hard to grip the racket.. but there were a bunch of major contributing factors.. A)An exercise I tried at the gym doing an overarm badminton like movement with a weight, which may have worn out my forearm a bit.. then B)testing a high tension racket and somebody only had a tube of plastic shuttles(Then I felt my forearm take a hit).. C)playing a bunch of games(in a good club, feather shuttles). At "C" the racket flew out of my hand when I just tried a regular shot that i'd normally play. The cause was "A" or "B" or both.. probably both. Not C(normal badminton), though it was most visible to anybody that saw it, at "C"..
ralphz said:
I have seen video compilations of injuries that happen to pro badminton players and I haven't seen the wrist.
ucantseeme said:
Ever thought that a tendonitis or athrosis don't come from zero to now? What type of injury are you thinking bout?
Any. I'm saying I didn't see any. (that's not to say there aren't any. Just that I didn't see any in one or two video compilations i've seen. (And that's not to say there aren't more video compilations that may show one, and that doesn't mean I have only looked at video compilations. And that doesn't mean i'm making a firm conclusion one way or another).
ucantseeme said:
There are tons of possible injuries in the wrist. Maybe these injuried players never wlaked on court, because wrist problems are seldom acut, they are mostly chronic. I recommend to ask a doctor or physio about racketsports and wrist injuries instead of a player. IMO we use the hands so often in our daily life, it's hard to seperate if they are caused by badminton or something else, but the chance to get problems during load are high.
Well, if I get to ask a pysio i'll ask them. But I rarely see one.