Gideon Marcus Fernaldi / Kevin Sanjaya Sukamuljo

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  1. minions

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    Until this week, minions has occupy the WR1 for 117 weeks. This equals Lee/Yoo's record in terms of overall weeks in WR1. Next year, minions will definitely surpass Lee/Yoo's record in that regard.

    Until this week, minions have spent their weeks as WR1 for 105 consecutive weeks. They need at least 12 weeks to equal Lee/Yoo's record in terms of consecutive weeks in WR1. The record itself may be equaled after the conclusion of WTF. If minions can stay as WR1 until the end of WTF, they are surely stay as WR1 until the next year as no more tournament will be held after WTF. This will inevitably allow minions to surpass Lee/Yoo's record.

    However, this is not guaranteed. Ahsan/Hendra are coming close to minions' points. Here is the analysis.

    Supposed that minions perform at their very worst and Ahsan/Hendra won consecutive titles from this point. Here is the points from the two pairs.

    Minions' current points : 104953
    Daddies' current points : 93137

    After the conclusion of Denmark Open.

    Minions' points : 101753
    Daddies' points : 96437

    After the conclusion of France Open.

    Minions' points : 98823
    Daddies' points : 100050

    At the very least, minions can guaranteed their spot for 4 more weeks.

    BTW, minions won't get any points even after winning Korea Open. But, it can be used for replacement should minions lose some points.
     
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  2. Yoji

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    the problem with defensive players is they can play good match in early rounds but if its SF/F its really hard to do it unless the hall is truly slow like the one in WuHan. Not sure how Endo lost German pair either.

    But in one way, i think LiLiu is also frustrated being in SF. they look so dejected in G2 against AhsanHendra. Is it because they really cant play well or because they simply want to avoid Minions in the Final. So nobody knows the one that will go to SF. Maybe Minions might lose before SF.
     
  3. yuquall

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    What is minions worst? You meant all R1 exits?
     
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    Li looked as if he didn't want to be there all tournament. Felt sorry for Liu who had done a lot. Not sure what's wrong with Li but he seemed off quite often in the recent year.
     
  5. minions

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    Partially that. What I really mean that the points that minions collect in further tournaments are lower than the tournament points that minions have collected, but not included in their points.
     
  6. Yoji

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    Wow. If they suffered Double R1 exits , they still have 98000 points? I think the most likely windows for Minions to lose WR1 is after the IndonesiaMasters next year. They won 2 titles then so they need it to replaced, so they need good KoreaOpen results. They dont get high points for WTF last year so maybe they can do better in GZ (provided FajarRian dont overtake them in race to GZ).

    If they still remain WR1 after INA masters, then chances are they will be WR1 for a long time more because they will get free AE points.

    As we can see, its hard for Doubles to be WR1 (unless XD kindof competition) that super long compared to singles (LCW 300+ weeks , maybe LD 200+ weeks if you take into account before SS)
     
  7. minions

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    Yes, minions have plenty of unused points ready to be used. Just calculate if you want to make sure. Minions still have to defend more points to ensure themselves as WR1 for longer time.
     
  8. Yoji

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    The problem with LiLiu is Li is overworked at the back not because Liu but because of the demands of MD, he needs to keep smashing everyday. I think he is just too tall to wake up feeling well day to day (explains the SF exit, they are becoming the nearly men). When he looks tired he played at front, its just not natural. Very few pairs like AhsanHendra can play Front and back equally well. Gideon also can play at the front because he plays with Kido before.
     
  9. Yoji

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    They will probably use their BAC & SingaporeOpen points. Should have won SingaporeOpen. Was so irritated when they lost that SF to KamuSon after leading 11-8 in G3 really feel this is the only title they blown away in their career. Wonder how LiLiu feels losing successive SF. Had they won the match, playing against AhsanHendra, it is another title. That will have helped. Cant say if they were outplayed in MO by Fajri or BAC.
     
  10. yuquall

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    Had they won the match against Ahsan/Hendra, it was another title? Aren't you forgetting something?
    They would have played minions in the final. Minions in fast hall final wouldn't lose to that version of Li/Liu.
     
  11. Yoji

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    Yeah Minions vs AhsanHendra @ SO will have been another title for Minions.
     
  12. yuquall

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    Oh, you were talking about minions in SO. I thought you were talking about Li/Liu in CO :cool:
    Well, what has happened is in the past. They lost it this year, maybe next year. All tournaments before BAC nest year will be counted to the Tokyo qualification points.
     
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    Article from the BWF site.
    Apparently the writer had no idea that Ahsan/Hendra had withdrawn from Korea Open.
    The Daddies are at the top of the Race to Guangzhou and I don't see how they could go wrong. Minions had to race it with Fajar/Rian for the rest of the year to get the last spot from Indonesia. It's a good booster to get as further as they could in WTF as it offered the same amount of points with S1000.



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    A familiar site in men's doubles this year, but can the 'Daddies' finally get a win over the 'Minions'?

    DOUBLES DILEMMA – CHINA OPEN: FINALS
    TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 24, 2019
    TEXT BY LLOYD GREEN | BADMINTON PHOTO


    It’s interesting to gain an insight into the mindset of athletes as they ready themselves to take to the court. Equally fascinating is the somewhat phobia-like phenomenon that affects certain players or pairs when they lineup against a particular opponent.

    The landscape in men’s doubles is such at the moment that each of the top five ranked duos has a number of foibles against one foe or another. And it’s intriguing to observe the attitude that each partnership takes into a contest knowing they either struggle against or dominate a rival.

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    Another loss for Ahsan and Setiawan against their countrymen.


    Take yesterday’s men’s doubles final at the VICTOR China Open 2019 for example.

    In the last eight head-to-head clashes against their countrymen, world No.1s Marcus Fernaldi Gideon and Kevin Sanjaya Sukamuljo have not taken a step wrong against Mohammad Ahsan and Hendra Setiawan.

    This year alone they have won final matches against Ahsan and Setiawan at the Indonesia Masters, Indonesia Open, Japan Open and now the recently-concluded China Open in Changzhou. Their winning streak extends back to February 2018.

    In fact, Ahsan and Setiawan have not recorded a victory against their teammates since splitting up post-Rio 2016. Yesterday’s effort was the closest they had got in their last four attempts, going down 21-18 17-21 21-15 in 42 minutes. Before that, they had all been straight-games defeats.


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    But for all their success, the ‘Minions’ too have their weaknesses. Twice now they have struggled considerably against Choi Solgyu and Seo Seung Jae of Korea. They were knocked out in the second round of the World Championships in Basel last month and some would argue they were very lucky not to have experienced the same fate in Changzhou last Thursday.

    Those blips on the radar plus other losses at the All England and Malaysia Opens have read for a mixed season by their lofty standards. Still, two Super 1000 victories in a year is no mean feat.

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    Ahsan looking less than comfortable on his right leg.


    When quizzed on how they feel when they lineup against certain teams, Gideon said: “Sometimes we play well, sometimes we don’t. And the style of play [between pairings] is different. Some we like playing against and others [we don’t].”

    Conversely, Ahsan and Setiawan have had little trouble this year against other notable rivals in Li Jun Hui/Liu Yu Chen of China and both Japanese pairs. They are sitting on winning records against all three in 2019. Li and Liu, in particular, seem at odds as to how to break down the ‘Daddies’.

    Despite Ahsan at times looking as though he is playing on one leg – an ongoing injury that continues to hamper him – the ‘Daddies’ have enjoyed a renaissance of such winning the All England and the World Championships.

    The fact it’s their third title of each – both recorded well into their mid-30s – adds extra weight.

    So, what do they have to do to get over the final hurdle and get a win against Gideon and Sukamuljo?

    “Keep trying and trying again,” said Ahsan. “We understand them well. We train together all the time. They know us well. But they are the best. They are so much faster.”

    It’s hardly a voice of confidence.

    Gideon and Sukamuljo approach the season-ending HSBC BWF World Tour Finals as the team to beat. For them, it’s just about controlling what’s within their reach.

    “We are focused on every tournament we enter. There’s still so much to achieve.”

    Both the ‘Minions’ and the ‘Daddies’ are in action this week at the Korea Open 2019.
     
  14. Yoji

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    Not a bad draw for Minions. Toughest match can be in R2.

    I think its another bad draw for Malaysia Pairs. How can 3 unseeded pairs always stick together.

    LiLiu draw is so easy, like it has always been. If can't win the title nothing to say, they should have easy passage to the SF/F. The toughest draw goes to KamuraSonoda imo.

    LiLiu draw is the kind of draw i'd want to handpick for Minions
     
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    Yes, it was different. Never said anything else.
    Turning your body is no different than lowering your head, both protect your eyes. In either case the other player can still hit you, it's up to them whether they do it or not.
    Lastly - yeah, you can make sure to not provoke getting a shuttle in the eye. I, however, would expect another member of a civilized society to try to avoid blinding me, if they can. Smashing the shuttle right at someone who is caught near the net is like trying to hit them with your racket on the follow-through of a net kill - strictly speaking, you're within the rules, but don't be surprised if the other guy comes over to your side of the court and teaches you a lesson. Neither are acceptable behavior where I'm from.
     
  16. yuquall

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    Not everyone hitting the to the opponents direction (except some mentally sick people) really intending to hit the eyes. But in sport accidents do happen, good ones or bad ones.
     
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    Yes. But the entire point of not smashing the shuttle at a very close opponent is to avoid injury. That's the entire argument. If you smash it at them, you risk injury, even if you don't intend it. Same as risking killing someone in a car crash when you're driving fast - you don't intend to do it, but you're responsible for whatever happens. Obviously not the same level of consequences, but the underlying principle is the same.
     
  18. yuquall

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    Doesn't seem to be a slow condition. Minions might have an easier time this time than two years ago.
     
  19. yuquall

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    Understood.
    And I was just saying that Conrads was just acting like Conrads. He had once got hit near the face and he just laughed it off when it was different opponents. So yeah..
     
  20. tepokbulu

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    the cock is not even close to kolding
    conrad is just a moron
    show me how close the cock to kolding's head
    and kevin did not try to hit kolding's head
     

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