and the lower end of the lists for the free places; Code: [TABLE="width: 500"] [TR] [TD][TABLE="class: grid, width: 624"] [TR] [TD]Thomas Cup[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Confederation[/TD] [TD]Country[/TD] [TD]Rank[/TD] [TD]MS1[/TD] [TD]MS2[/TD] [TD]MS3[/TD] [TD]MD1[/TD] [TD]MD2[/TD] [TD]Total[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Pan America[/TD] [TD]U.S.A.[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [TD="align: right"]26,190[/TD] [TD="align: right"]20,119[/TD] [TD="align: right"]17,500[/TD] [TD="align: right"]21,807[/TD] [TD="align: right"]8,120[/TD] [TD="align: right"]93,736[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Canada[/TD] [TD]22[/TD] [TD="align: right"]8,750[/TD] [TD="align: right"]6,160[/TD] [TD="align: right"]4,990[/TD] [TD="align: right"]23,558[/TD] [TD="align: right"]16,832[/TD] [TD="align: right"]60,290[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Brazil[/TD] [TD]27[/TD] [TD="align: right"]17,664[/TD] [TD="align: right"]11,650[/TD] [TD="align: right"]10,235[/TD] [TD="align: right"]12,160[/TD] [TD="align: right"]2,590[/TD] [TD="align: right"]54,299[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Oceania[/TD] [TD]Australia[/TD] [TD]26[/TD] [TD="align: right"]4,280[/TD] [TD="align: right"]2,510[/TD] [TD="align: right"]2,500[/TD] [TD="align: right"]24,430[/TD] [TD="align: right"]22,404[/TD] [TD="align: right"]56,124[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]New Zealand[/TD] [TD]29[/TD] [TD="align: right"]14,147[/TD] [TD="align: right"]7,590[/TD] [TD="align: right"]3,530[/TD] [TD="align: right"]20,171[/TD] [TD="align: right"]2,540[/TD] [TD="align: right"]47,978[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]New Caledonia[/TD] [TD]68[/TD] [TD="align: right"]1,520[/TD] [TD="align: right"]1,130[/TD] [TD="align: right"]1,130[/TD] [TD="align: right"]2,090[/TD] [TD="align: right"]1,170[/TD] [TD="align: right"]7,040[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Africa[/TD] [TD]Nigeria[/TD] [TD]38[/TD] [TD="align: right"]7,522[/TD] [TD="align: right"]7,010[/TD] [TD="align: right"]4,190[/TD] [TD="align: right"]8,260[/TD] [TD="align: right"]4,792[/TD] [TD="align: right"]31,774[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]South Africa[/TD] [TD]47[/TD] [TD="align: right"]5,960[/TD] [TD="align: right"]5,919[/TD] [TD="align: right"]1,050[/TD] [TD="align: right"]4,200[/TD] [TD="align: right"]1,750[/TD] [TD="align: right"]18,879[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Egypt[/TD] [TD]57[/TD] [TD="align: right"]3,235[/TD] [TD="align: right"]2,337[/TD] [TD="align: right"]1,880[/TD] [TD="align: right"]2,270[/TD] [TD="align: right"]1,970[/TD] [TD="align: right"]11,692[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Code: [TABLE="width: 500"] [TR] [TD][TABLE="class: grid, width: 624"] [TR] [TD]Uber Cup[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Confederation[/TD] [TD]Country[/TD] [TD]Rank[/TD] [TD]WS1[/TD] [TD]WS2[/TD] [TD]WS3[/TD] [TD]WD1[/TD] [TD]WD2[/TD] [TD]Total[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Pan America[/TD] [TD]Canada[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD="align: right"]37,981[/TD] [TD="align: right"]21,450[/TD] [TD="align: right"]15,230[/TD] [TD="align: right"]29,680[/TD] [TD="align: right"]17,298[/TD] [TD="align: right"]121,639[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]U.S.A.[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD="align: right"]28,269[/TD] [TD="align: right"]9,611[/TD] [TD="align: right"]6,750[/TD] [TD="align: right"]35,523[/TD] [TD="align: right"]3,850[/TD] [TD="align: right"]84,003[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Brazil[/TD] [TD]20[/TD] [TD="align: right"]22,220[/TD] [TD="align: right"]20,748[/TD] [TD="align: right"]11,830[/TD] [TD="align: right"]14,670[/TD] [TD="align: right"]11,940[/TD] [TD="align: right"]81,408[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Oceania[/TD] [TD]New Zealand[/TD] [TD]23[/TD] [TD="align: right"]17,043[/TD] [TD="align: right"]13,860[/TD] [TD="align: right"]3,970[/TD] [TD="align: right"]17,560[/TD] [TD="align: right"]10,225[/TD] [TD="align: right"]62,658[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Australia[/TD] [TD]28[/TD] [TD="align: right"]12,570[/TD] [TD="align: right"]5,990[/TD] [TD="align: right"]5,860[/TD] [TD="align: right"]19,945[/TD] [TD="align: right"]7,110[/TD] [TD="align: right"]51,475[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]New Caledonia[/TD] [TD]67[/TD] [TD="align: right"]4,790[/TD] [TD="align: right"]1,170[/TD] [TD="align: right"]1,170[/TD] [TD="align: right"]0[/TD] [TD="align: right"]0[/TD] [TD="align: right"]7,130[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Africa[/TD] [TD]Nigeria[/TD] [TD]36[/TD] [TD="align: right"]12,155[/TD] [TD="align: right"]4,760[/TD] [TD="align: right"]4,220[/TD] [TD="align: right"]4,490[/TD] [TD="align: right"]4,422[/TD] [TD="align: right"]30,047[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Egypt[/TD] [TD]44[/TD] [TD="align: right"]6,359[/TD] [TD="align: right"]4,610[/TD] [TD="align: right"]2,520[/TD] [TD="align: right"]3,913[/TD] [TD="align: right"]3,540[/TD] [TD="align: right"]20,942[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Mauritius[/TD] [TD]47[/TD] [TD="align: right"]10,504[/TD] [TD="align: right"]3,660[/TD] [TD="align: right"]1,730[/TD] [TD="align: right"]2,143[/TD] [TD="align: right"]1,370[/TD] [TD="align: right"]19,407[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
Pan-Am didn't used up any free place as they qualified by right, USA for Thomas and Canada for Uber. Australia took up the free place for Thomas and New Zealand for the Uber. Nigeria got both. Russia is the big loser as both their teams are in the top 16 but have their places taken by the 'lesser' countries.
These are the qualification based upon the ranking period between 7th March 2013 and 23th Jan 2014. As the date for qualifying and team seeding is 6th March 2014 that will exclude the All England SSP thus leaving no big points tournaments available until the end of qualification. The teams listed below may well be the final teams to participate in May. Code: [TABLE="width: 500"] [TR] [TD][TABLE="class: grid, width: 529"] [TR] [TD="colspan: 2"]Thomas Cup[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Rank[/TD] [TD]Country[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]Total[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]1[/TD] [TD]Indonesia[/TD] [TD] 68,958[/TD] [TD] 44,780[/TD] [TD] 40,809[/TD] [TD] 86,140[/TD] [TD] 54,109[/TD] [TD] 294,796[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]2[/TD] [TD]China[/TD] [TD] 75,255[/TD] [TD] 58,500[/TD] [TD] 56,850[/TD] [TD] 64,940[/TD] [TD] 38,890[/TD] [TD] 294,435[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]3[/TD] [TD]Malaysia[/TD] [TD] 98,873[/TD] [TD] 43,380[/TD] [TD] 32,560[/TD] [TD] 55,700[/TD] [TD] 55,290[/TD] [TD] 285,803[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]4[/TD] [TD]Japan[/TD] [TD] 65,945[/TD] [TD] 43,530[/TD] [TD] 42,775[/TD] [TD] 71,295[/TD] [TD] 46,420[/TD] [TD] 269,965[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]5[/TD] [TD]Denmark[/TD] [TD] 67,148[/TD] [TD] 35,740[/TD] [TD] 35,650[/TD] [TD] 71,192[/TD] [TD] 36,450[/TD] [TD] 246,180[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]6[/TD] [TD]Korea[/TD] [TD] 45,430[/TD] [TD] 29,516[/TD] [TD] 16,040[/TD] [TD] 71,696[/TD] [TD] 70,419[/TD] [TD] 233,101[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]7[/TD] [TD]Thailand[/TD] [TD] 60,688[/TD] [TD] 46,018[/TD] [TD] 25,560[/TD] [TD] 48,910[/TD] [TD] 29,370[/TD] [TD] 210,546[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]8[/TD] [TD]Chinese Taipei[/TD] [TD] 36,760[/TD] [TD] 36,180[/TD] [TD] 18,960[/TD] [TD] 52,752[/TD] [TD] 36,310[/TD] [TD] 180,962[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]9[/TD] [TD]India[/TD] [TD] 41,442[/TD] [TD] 38,720[/TD] [TD] 35,830[/TD] [TD] 25,963[/TD] [TD] 22,870[/TD] [TD] 164,825[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]10[/TD] [TD]Hong Kong[/TD] [TD] 47,769[/TD] [TD] 34,236[/TD] [TD] 28,130[/TD] [TD] 29,110[/TD] [TD] 15,660[/TD] [TD] 154,905[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]11[/TD] [TD]England[/TD] [TD] 37,750[/TD] [TD] 11,670[/TD] [TD] 6,050[/TD] [TD] 49,100[/TD] [TD] 35,810[/TD] [TD] 140,380[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]12[/TD] [TD]Germany[/TD] [TD] 43,920[/TD] [TD] 24,091[/TD] [TD] 17,840[/TD] [TD] 28,970[/TD] [TD] 24,850[/TD] [TD] 139,671[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]13[/TD] [TD]Netherlands[/TD] [TD] 35,548[/TD] [TD] 13,890[/TD] [TD] 10,960[/TD] [TD] 33,921[/TD] [TD] 27,750[/TD] [TD] 122,069[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]17[/TD] [TD]U.S.A.[/TD] [TD] 26,190[/TD] [TD] 20,119[/TD] [TD] 17,500[/TD] [TD] 21,807[/TD] [TD] 9,040[/TD] [TD] 94,656[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]26[/TD] [TD]Australia[/TD] [TD] 4,280[/TD] [TD] 2,510[/TD] [TD] 2,500[/TD] [TD] 24,780[/TD] [TD] 22,934[/TD] [TD] 57,004[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]39[/TD] [TD]Nigeria[/TD] [TD] 7,522[/TD] [TD] 7,010[/TD] [TD] 4,190[/TD] [TD] 8,260[/TD] [TD] 4,792[/TD] [TD] 31,774[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Code: [TABLE="width: 500"] [TR] [TD][TABLE="class: grid, width: 529"] [TR] [TD]Uber Cup[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Rank[/TD] [TD]Country[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]Total[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]1[/TD] [TD]China[/TD] [TD] 89,000[/TD] [TD] 77,170[/TD] [TD] 76,958[/TD] [TD] 88,645[/TD] [TD] 65,390[/TD] [TD] 397,163[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]2[/TD] [TD]Japan[/TD] [TD] 48,117[/TD] [TD] 47,660[/TD] [TD] 47,457[/TD] [TD] 69,490[/TD] [TD] 55,340[/TD] [TD] 268,064[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]3[/TD] [TD]Thailand[/TD] [TD] 77,488[/TD] [TD] 54,460[/TD] [TD] 49,927[/TD] [TD] 51,348[/TD] [TD] 32,810[/TD] [TD] 266,033[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]4[/TD] [TD]Korea[/TD] [TD] 65,278[/TD] [TD] 64,440[/TD] [TD] 15,920[/TD] [TD] 56,820[/TD] [TD] 55,660[/TD] [TD] 258,118[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]5[/TD] [TD]Indonesia[/TD] [TD] 41,522[/TD] [TD] 36,250[/TD] [TD] 34,051[/TD] [TD] 58,270[/TD] [TD] 55,170[/TD] [TD] 225,263[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]6[/TD] [TD]Denmark[/TD] [TD] 23,705[/TD] [TD] 19,610[/TD] [TD] 19,140[/TD] [TD] 78,087[/TD] [TD] 36,180[/TD] [TD] 176,722[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]7[/TD] [TD]Chinese Taipei[/TD] [TD] 59,649[/TD] [TD] 35,370[/TD] [TD] 23,420[/TD] [TD] 29,575[/TD] [TD] 19,450[/TD] [TD] 167,464[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]8[/TD] [TD]India[/TD] [TD] 56,530[/TD] [TD] 53,402[/TD] [TD] 25,230[/TD] [TD] 18,347[/TD] [TD] 13,610[/TD] [TD] 167,119[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]9[/TD] [TD]Singapore[/TD] [TD] 41,840[/TD] [TD] 29,750[/TD] [TD] 21,320[/TD] [TD] 36,351[/TD] [TD] 25,450[/TD] [TD] 154,711[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]10[/TD] [TD]Germany[/TD] [TD] 48,930[/TD] [TD] 26,852[/TD] [TD] 14,607[/TD] [TD] 34,165[/TD] [TD] 25,350[/TD] [TD] 149,904[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]11[/TD] [TD]Hong Kong[/TD] [TD] 41,529[/TD] [TD] 32,760[/TD] [TD] 11,560[/TD] [TD] 43,824[/TD] [TD] 10,480[/TD] [TD] 140,153[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]12[/TD] [TD]Bulgaria[/TD] [TD] 31,020[/TD] [TD] 29,120[/TD] [TD] 24,580[/TD] [TD] 29,720[/TD] [TD] 7,890[/TD] [TD] 122,330[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]13[/TD] [TD]Malaysia[/TD] [TD] 21,219[/TD] [TD] 13,240[/TD] [TD] 12,290[/TD] [TD] 39,460[/TD] [TD] 35,500[/TD] [TD] 121,709[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]14[/TD] [TD]Canada[/TD] [TD] 37,981[/TD] [TD] 21,450[/TD] [TD] 15,230[/TD] [TD] 29,680[/TD] [TD] 17,298[/TD] [TD] 121,639[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]23[/TD] [TD]New Zealand[/TD] [TD] 17,043[/TD] [TD] 14,780[/TD] [TD] 3,970[/TD] [TD] 18,610[/TD] [TD] 10,225[/TD] [TD] 64,628[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: right"]36[/TD] [TD]Nigeria[/TD] [TD] 13,075[/TD] [TD] 4,760[/TD] [TD] 4,220[/TD] [TD] 4,490[/TD] [TD] 4,422[/TD] [TD] 30,967[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
So, China and Indonesia are seeded to meet in the TC final, again! On paper China is ahead on singles and Indonesia on doubles that should give China a 3-2 advantage. But, it’s really very much depends on the first single between Chen Long and T Sugiarto. Again, on paper CL should has the upper hand but with both men to lead their country for the first time I say it will be a 50/50 match. If it’s 2-2 and down to the last match, INA’s MS3 will be one the young guys and CHN most certain will field Lin Dan. So, it will be young blood against experience and may be not so match fit Lin Dan. What do you guys think?
Even though LD has not played since WC13, it is not as if he is not training. If LD is really coming back to play in Mar 14, he is already training hard for the comeback. Also, when it comes to national glory, LD will not let CHN down, as proven time and time again. So if WR1 cannot beat LD in WC13, whoever plays LD in MS3 at TC would have no chance.
MS3 should not be a problem for LD. China's weakness lies in the MDs but also MS2. DPY doesn't have a good record against either SDK or Rumbaka, and while WZM has better H2Hs against those two, his consistency and mental strength is suspect, given that he lacks these down-to-the-wire big match experience. As for MD2, I think China may well form a scratch pair (CB/CY, FHF/HW, or even FHF/ZN, if they can fit ZN into the team) instead of going with CB/HW (who are unstable under pressure) or CY/FHF (who are lacking match fitness together). Korea has an outside chance of troubling either team too. SWH isn't a pushover by any means, Kim/Kim and Lee/Yoo are both very strong pairs on their day. It'll be interesting to see whether Lee/Yoo can overtake Kim/Kim in the rankings so that they'd be able to take the MD1 position (hypothetically against MA/HS should they face INA). Does the team seeding/qualification date also finalize the rank of the doubles pairings?
I think so, with almost 20,000 points between them there is no chance for LYD/YYS to be the MD1 if Korea is to play Kim/Kim as well.
CL and DPY are not the consistent players like LD, they can get upset, especially playing away in IND. KOR and INA, if both win the 2 MDs against CHN, do have a chance. If deciding match is 3rd MS and CHN fielding LD, CHN will take the TC, 99% guaranteed.
I think many people are under estimating Malaysia. LCW would like to win a Thomas Cup in his career and this year probably the best chance for them. He is almost sure to deliver 1 point. Suddenly Malaysia have 2 good doubles, with Hoon/Tan and Lim/Goh. If they can produce a good combination by pairing Tan with young player, then they will have a third back up pair. If Darren Liew can get back to his form, he might be dangerous too, and they also have an improved Chong Wei Feng.
For China double , there is no chance.. I will take China Hou Tian Wei , Chen Long and Lin dan . Xue song back up in the coming Thomas Cup . With Xu Chen 1st double, 2rd double Zhang Nan , also China stands a good chance.
your comments prompted me to revisit the numbers and I'd discovered an error by left out the points from the Russian Open. That made a big difference as the Russians scored really high with 4 titles. Russian is actually ahead of Netherlands in the Thomas Cup by 9000 points that looks very safe. And still needs to get another 4000 points before the AE if they are to replace Bulgaria in the Uber Cup.
It is one of the better chance for other countries to step up to the plate and delivery. I am hoping for an exciting TC, ideally CHN vs INA,or, MALA, or KOR down to the fifth match. Another CHN domination will not help badminton.
why CL only has 75,255 points instead of 80,035 points ? if we look back to the ranking date per 7th March 2013, it include German open result. from my calculation, China should be the #1 seed in Thomas Cup with 307k points...it's about 13,000 points ahead of Indonesia
I was just about to update the thread a couple of days ago and the Korean b***** it all up! Anyway, for the Thomas Cup the top 4 seeds should still be the same as in INA, CHN, MAS and JPN. KOR will be in the third group of seeding (9-12) that should still a threat to some unlucky teams. Imagine, we would have MAS, DEN and KOR in the same group!
Korea Thomas Cup team will be severally weaken without LYD and KKJ. This opens up the door for Ko SH. Let's see how their appeal goes in Feb against the 1 year ban
