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  1. Cheung

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    Just some sideline trivia:
    Correct me on the maths......
    There are 163 racquets (or thereabouts on the review list)
    If we get a thread asking for a comparison on xx racquet vs zz racquet, there are 163! possible combinations.
    Multiply that by four for the replies. What's the answer? Scroll down.














    A full up message board.
    BTW, do u think IBF is still tracking us?
     
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    Why would they be tracking us?
     
  3. The IBF

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    Cheung, There are more than 163 possible combinations under your example. There would be 162 possible pairings with racquet #1 alone.

    We do not take kindly to your sort of insinuated critcisms. Accordingly, we will be declaring your equipment as non-conforming at the next tournament you enter.

    Sincerely,

    The International Badminton Federation
     
  4. Don

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    That would come out to be 163*162 comparisons, which is a lot.
     
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  6. kwun

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  7. BaMBaM

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    I think it would come out to more than that because a given racquet may have different versions such as Ti-10 long and Ti-10 regular, or Cab 10 or Cab 10 Tour. You get the point.
     
  8. Brett

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    Don, it would be less than 163x162. For each number down the list, you would have one fewer new combination than the last racquet. Thus, for racquet #10, there would be 152 new combinations and for racquet #162, there would be only one different match. There's a button on an advanced calculator that will perform this calculation, but I haven't done this since high school and have forgotten which math function this is.
     
  9. Don

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    I just realized my mistake... I forgot to take out the duplicate comparison in the permutation.
     
  10. kwun

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    no. i think Don is correct. the number of combinations is 163 C 2, which is 163*162....
     
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    lmao

    good one. :lol:
     
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    Look at all the trouble you've caused!!! :lol:
     
  13. Brett

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    Kwun, not if you assume that the comparison of #1 vs. #163 is the same as the comparison of #163 vs. #1.

    Badminton is offering us not only physical exercise but intellectual exercise too (physics for string tension arguments, math for racquet comparison calculations, etc...)
     
  14. Don

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    I dug up the old arithmetic series formula and found that by eliminating a duplicate i.e. 1 vs 2 or 2 vs 1, my calculations brings it to be 13203 distinct comparisons.
     
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    Which, coincidentally or perhaps not, is one half of 163x162. I guess we better get to work on those comparisons. Perhaps Kwun could write a grant proposal and fund us all as his research assistants.
     
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    Brett.

    Brett,

    you're right, i did 163 P 2 instead of 163 C 2.

    it has been a while since i did this... need to dig out those old math textbooks!!

    anyway, this is what i remember:

    a C b =

    a! / ( (a-b)! * b! )

    which in our case, is 163*162/2

    and

    a P b =

    a! / (a-b)!

    which is 163*162
     
  17. Don

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    kwun.. you're still off the ball. It's a permutation not a combination. Order does matter, so you simpley divide by 2 to elimate the duplicate.
     
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    Don.

    we may be talking about the same thing and i may not be clear on my last msg.

    i was saying that we don't want to have permutation/ordering, thus we want 163 C 2 instead of 163 P 2. and 163 C 2 does include the divide by 2..

    we don't differentiate "compare a Ti10 with MP100" and "compare a MP100 with Ti10", am i correct? :)
     
  19. Hoang Nguyen

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    why bother!!! just pick one and go wack those birdies!!! hahaha...
     
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    Re: lmao

    Oh no ...... o:)
     

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