Who will qualify for the SS final?

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  1. xXazn_romeoXx

    xXazn_romeoXx Regular Member

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    although i do agree with what you're saying, but do you have any other option unless you "grant" other lesser countries byes into the finals or something? ;):D i mean of course the entire world must be exposed to badminton in order to sell it...such as PHY and XHW did to france and germany respectively...but you do have to respect china's enormous amount of talent, lolz...cause what are you gunna do...just ban them out so other nations will have a chance? lolz..the only thing we can do is the only thing that's set out for everyone...to have limitations...granted i don't agree with how fair that is to the players' points of view, since they all work just as hard...but if they worked hard for it to get into the finals, don't bash them for another country to sell it...they earned it lolz...:D but do remember that there are people who are fans OF THE SPORT and OF SOME PLAYERS, and not OF THE COUNTRIES..so there still will be people watching lin dan or bao chun lai...but in the end, to sell it, we have to have other country to champion an event, so having the US win MDs was a good start...it's a slow start but eventually, we start building fans of the sport itself and fans of multicultural players, and everyone will watch regardless of country the players are from ;)
     
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    lolz i just thought of something, like...you don't see many people watching tennis as country of nations or whatever...you see them as players individually...so fans are being reached because they are fans of a specific player...like federer...no one is imposing that the swiss are dominant...but they are LOL....just that people don't care...and they like either federer or nadal or roddick....and no countries are implied...which is why tennis is so popular...

    on second thought, BWF shouldn't impose limits, but instead place tournaments at places of non-importance of the sport, like australia or canada, or south africa, and such, and the slowly earn a fan base of fans that support only players and does not focus on the countries itself...only the media projects country vs country and so on ;)
     
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    IF BWF were to place the tournaments in the countries like AUS/CAN/RSA...etc..CHN will definitely send their contingents to participate on those "tiny" nations.. W/O limitation by BWF.. It will eventually end out with ALL CHN players affairs in the Finals/SF/QF depends on the amount of the players who being send by ChN Team. Coz Don't u are to expect Canada Players like Bobby Milroy, AUS player like ROSS Smith who can upset Even the CHN Juniors lke GWJ. LQQ in their home ground... LOLZ
    Where else in Tennis. Powerhouse such like US. Russia..or Swiss....etc they normally wont send any players to lesser-popular nations in Tennis. They doesn't need approval frm WTA coz they know IF wanna promote the sports among ALL nations, No Point to whack the home players like a bunch of school kids infront of their own supporters..:D:D

    Furthermore... No 1 mention about the countries differences in Tennis coz no nations in the world as dominant as CHN for Badminton as in TEnnis.. I believe any non-badmintons fans can name ONLY CHN players while mention about Badminton.. They simple won't know any other players. While in Tennis..Even non-fans also will get to know players names frm Russia. Swiss.Spain etc.. Due to publicity of the sports makes ppls understand that no single countries in the world always have a clean sweep in any Tennis Tournaments.. As simple as that...LOLZ
     
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    obviously publicity is a problem in any small stature sports, but that's something we can't control just yet, until we grow the popularity among children and so on....however, i still believe that any non-fans of badminton that can name any big names of badminton, whether from china or not, is a big step towards getting badminton as a big popular sport...soon people will know that players like gade and taufik and lee choong wei could compete with the best of chinese players, and it can spread out from there...obviously having completely chinese players in the super series final would be pretty bad for any other fans other than fans of chinese players and the chinese national team...but for me, i don't think you can dispute talent...now if there was amazingly talented players from other countries that are not allowed to compete in the super series, then that would very unjust...but the reason why chinese players are in finals and such are because they ARE that good, and they fight to have a chance to be champion, and deservedly so...however, on the point of having tournaments in non-badminton traditonal countries such as canada and such, i still think that the exposure that is gained would be very beneficial...many north american players go to asian countries to develope and strengthen their talents and come back to their country stronger...so even though it may be an all china final in a tournament in something like the canadian open, it'd be beneficial to expose that type of talent and high level competition to every serious badminton player in that country...something to work for, type of thing...;);)...i'd know i wouldn't mind watching ANY high level badminton player play, and study and watch their technique...any exposure is GOOD exposure...however small steps they may be :D:D
     
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    We must think about the players too, not only the spectators, sponsor, and etc. Yes, spectators and sponsor is needed to promotes this game, but we must concern also about the players. It is really unfair for them.
     
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    I am sorry to say it , but all of us must admit that MONEY IS ABOVE ALL in this materialistic modern world..
    If you were the family in CHina.. Would you like your son to be a successful athletes like Liu Xiang or Badminton Top 1 players as LD??
    It will be crazy to choose LD coz Liu Xiang income is the top among all the athletes in the world !
     
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    Are you crazy?
    He is richer than the F1 drivers like Kimi Raikkonen? and Alonso?
     
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    Yao Ming is richer than Liu Xiang. No doubt!
     
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    Who cares..damn it....what we wanna see is good matches, skills, performance and definitely a good exciting match....
     
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    Therefore BWF shouldn't limit the maximum entries from one country, so WR #1-8 in SS standings will qualify into SS finals, so we can get an exciting match. Imagine if WR # 20 and above also qualify into SS finals. How we can get an interesting match?
     
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    Well said! Torres! Great points.
     
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    Well, just curious what the qualifiers' list would look like if the qualifiers are to be decided by the current SS ranking list (so, just hypothetical ...),

    1. LD (CHN #1 - in)
    2. BCL (CHN # 2 - in)
    3. CJ (CHN #3 - out)
    4. LCW (MAS #1 - in)
    5. CY (CHN #4 - out)
    6. PG (DEN #1 - in)
    7. KJ (DEN #2 - in)
    8. Sony (INA #1 - in)
    9. Boonsak (THA #1 - in)
    10. Shoji (JAP #1 - in)

    Looks okay with me except for the inclusion of Shoji - I wish it's Taufik [#21] or even Wacha [#17] instead (so even with the country limit rule in place, they still couldn't make it). A tournament with half of the players coming from the same country is far less interesting to me.

    It's possible but damn unlikely that such a scenario could happen. Under normal circumstances, the top-10 players or pairs are pretty close in their game standards and therefore, what makes such a tournament really interesting is the variety of the countries that the participants represent. Look at the above scenario, the two Chen's are sacrificed (Chen Hong is ranked #16 and therefore not qualified in the first place) but the dangerous Boonsak is "inducted". Shoji is the weakest link but he might be replaced by Simon, Hafiz, Susilo, WCH, Wacha or even Taufik after a few more SS tournaments.

    WS
    1. XXF (CHN #1 - in)
    2. XHW (GER #1 - in)
    3. ZL (CHN #2 - in)
    4. ZN (CHN #3 - out)
    5. PHY (FRA #1 - in)
    6. LL (CHN #4 - out)
    7. WC (HKG #1 - in)
    8. Petya (BUL #1 - in)
    9. Eriko (JAP #1 - in)
    10. WMC (MAS #1 - in)

    Wow! WMC barely makes it. Poor Zhang Ning.

    MD
    1. CY/FHF (CHN #1 - in)
    2. KKK/TBH (MAS #1 - in)
    3. CW/TG (INA #1 & USA #1 - in)
    4. MK/HS (INA #1.5 - in)
    5. JE/MLH (DEN #1 - in)
    6. CTF/LWW (MAS #2 - in)
    7. Gunawan/Riyado (INA #2.5 - out?)
    8. TBS/OSH (MAS #3 - out)
    9. JJS/LYD (KOR #1 - in)
    10. Logosz/Mateusiak (POL #1 - in?)

    WD
    1. ZYW/WYL (CHN #1 - in)
    2. ZTT/YW (CHN #2 - in)
    3. Polii/Marissa (INA #1 - in)
    4. GL/HS (CHN #3 - out)
    5. Emms/Kellogg (ENG #1 - in)
    6. LKW/LHJ (KOR #1 - in)
    7. JYM/LYJ (SIN #1 - in)
    8. DJ/YY (CHN #4 - out)
    9. Endang/Rani (INA #2 - in)
    10. Nicole/Julianne (GER #1 - in)

    XD
    1. ZB/GL (CHN #1 - in)
    2. Nova/Lilyanna (INA #1 - in)
    3. XZB/ZYW (CHN #2 - in)
    4. Robertson/Emms (ENG #1 - in)
    5. Clark/Kellogg (ENG #2 - in)
    6. Limpele/Marissa (INA #2 - in)
    7. ZJ/ZTT (CHN #3 - out)
    8. Mateusiak/Kostiuczyk (POL #1 - in)
    9. Sudket/Saralee (THA #1 - in)

    Tallies:

    MS :-
    - CHN & DEN - 2 each
    - MAS, THA & JAP - 1 each
    - "sacrificed" - CHN - 2

    WS :-
    - CHN - 2
    - JAP, GER, FRA, HKG & BUL - 1 each
    - "sacrificed" - CHN - 2

    MD :-
    - MAS - 2
    - INA - 1.5
    - CHN, DEN, KOR & POL - 1 each
    - USA - 0.5
    - "sacrificed" - MAS & INA - 1 each

    WD :-
    - CHN & INA - 2 each
    - GER, KOR, ENG & SIN - 1 each
    - "sacrificed" - CHN - 2

    XD :-
    - CHN, INA & ENG - 2 each
    - THA & POL - 1 each
    - "sacrificed" - CHN - 1

    Overall :-
    - CHN - 9 ("sacrificed" - 7)
    - INA - 6.5 ("sacrificed" - 1)
    - MAS - 4 ("sacrificed" - 1)
    - DEN & ENG - 3
    - KOR, POL, THA, GER & JAP - 2 each
    - FRA, HKG, SIN & BUL - 1 each
    - USA - 0.5
     
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    Don't simply make statements like that. You make BWF sound rascist.

    BWF hates a single country dominating the sport. This dominant country happens to be CHN. It's vastly different from saying BWF hates Chinese.
     
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    :D:D;) the more accurate phrase would be, BWF would like to "control" how well the chinese could do, by setting limits on the number of players they can send...therefore, giving more opportunity to everyone else from different countries and spread the goodwill sport of badminton, no? :D:D
     
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    Yo ! That's wat i'm talking bout !
     
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    whether it is fair to the players or not is different though ;), i wish chen hong would've gotten a special invitation or a qualifying spot....i sure would love to see him upset gade XD...
     
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    how come tony wont rep. indo anyways...? :S i think it would look better if he represents indo for the SS
     
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    Agree with you 100%

    IF Based on ranking now in SS series, Chen Jin and Chen Yu had to give their spot to Bonsak and Shoji Sato.

    Bonsak still quite alright, but Shoji Shato????

    If the matches divide into 2 group, the players with Shoji in his group will be so lucky cause he is surely the weakest one. And this is BWF will try to made badminton more popular by giving a spot for Shoji Sato in final 8?

    Anyway, for a sport organization, this BWF rules really is the most stupid one. People wanted to see good matches. If you promote that SS finals only had 8 of the most top badminton players from each category, you should had to back it up.

    Reality, not all the best will play in SS final thanks to 2 players from each country and the subtitute maybe will not be so good as the original top 8.

    What a shame.
     
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    What a laugh!

    Thats why badminton never be as popular as tennis. Too country centris. Most of badminton fans only love or idolize players from their own country.

    Russia also dominant in women tennis specially in 2004. In year end event where only 8 top WS tennis player can participate, there are 5 Russia girl there. But still the tournaments pack with crowds and sponsors.

    Tennis already a global sports. The fans didnot had to idolize players from his own country (although that will not hurt)

    Example: Roger Federer and rafael nadal. They had huge fans basis no matter where they play even in Asia here. I am Roger fans even if he did not from Indonesia just cause he play very good tennis. Not from where he come from.

    IBF/ BWF from the start already made badminton like a country sports not individual ones. And with this all kind of rules, even in 50 years ahead, badminton will never be as popular as tennis.
     
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    table tennis, snow boarding, sailings are some came to my mind that are dominated by even fewer countries than badminton. There's no talk of them being drop from the OG.

    World Top 10 - Gold Medal Winning Countries in Table Tennis
    Country International Table Tennis Federation (IITF)
    Men's Women's Total
    China 41.5 48.0 89.5

    Hungary 42.0 26.0 68.0
    Japan 23.5 23.5 47.0

    Czech Republic 17.5 10.5 28.0
    Romania ------ 17.0 17.0

    UK 8.0 6.0 14.0
    Sweden 14.0 ---- 14.0

    USA 5.0 5.0 10.0
    Austria 3.0 3.0 6.0

    Germany 1.0 4.0 5.0
     
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