Which countries will advance to the Final Rd.

^^Your World Team Ranking shows..^^

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80896
..the Netherlands ahead of India; unless, the WR has been updated since..
Unfortunately, BWF will not do a playoff round between both teams to determine who will join the final group. (See post #76 above).

Although, personally, to be fair, i would invite the 4th place teams in both Asia and Europe continents and have NED and IND duke it out, in a Qualifying match a day before the competition, to determine which team enters the Final Rd. So, it'll be 13 teams total going to M'sia.
 
http://www.internationalbadminton.org/news_item.aspx?id=31434
Excerpt from the article above:
However, whether Europe gets an additional qualifier in both competitions will only be known after Thursday’s March 4 world ranking calculations.
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Ukraine and Netherlands finished fourth in the Thomas Cup and Uber Cup qualifiers in Europe while Japan and India were the fourth placed teams in Asia.
The overall world ranking points of a team will be determined based on the total ranking points of the highest ranked three singles players and two doubles pairs in the BWF world ranking list which means Ukraine will be compared with Japan while Netherlands will be compared against India in the Thomas Cup and Uber Cup respectively.
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So, it is not based on the world ranking as cxytdn generates but the sum of the ranking points of the highest 3 singles and highest 2 doubles.
 
I am not bothering about the UKR-JPN TC matchup, as I am assuming a Japanese onslaught.

For UC, based on current rankings (one week before the March 4 rankings)
IND
Saina 55444.43
Mutatkar 24490
Gokhale 19970
Balan/Kurian 25610
Gutta/Ponnapa 25410

NED
Yao Jie 42800
Judith 33120.48
Van Cutsen 26730
Barning/Muskens 24860 (hmmm, never heard of them)
Van Cutsen/Doreman 17024.88

Out with the calculators,
150,924.43 for IND
144,535.36 for NED

Based on this week's ranking and my understanding on how this will play out, looks like IND wins out.

Please do correct me if I'm wrong.
 
The question is, are these regulations made clear from the beginning? Is there some sort of documentation? If it wasn't clear, then charges of bias can be levelled at BWF, as goalposts can be shifted to favour one team over another.

However, if you do a virtual head-to-head battle between IND and NED, IND wins 3-2 from the current rankings and even from the rankings that cxytdn generated some weeks ago (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80896). It's only when every team in the world is virtually pitted against all other teams (as per cxytdn's method) that NED is (somehow) ahead of IND.

So, no matter how it goes, IND has a strong case.

And based on the article which I linked to 2 posts on top, IND is almost in (only pending March 4 rankings to be released).
 
That article now makes everything a bit clearer..

hcyong said:
http://www.internationalbadminton.org/news_item.aspx?id=31434
Excerpt from the article above:

So, it is not based on the world ranking as cxytdn generates but the sum of the ranking points of the highest 3 singles and highest 2 doubles.
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..but yes, they never mentioned anything about using/referring to the March 4th WR calculations to determine the last final spot, until now.
 
ctjcad said:
..but yes, they never mentioned anything about using/referring to the March 4th WR calculations to determine the last final spot, until now.
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If you see http://www.internationalbadminton.org/file_download.aspx?id=16891, this is sort of implied on the last page, "Datelines (sic) for Thomas and Uber Cups", with this entry.

1st Thursday of March
Seeding Date - World Ranking Date for the purpose of deciding the Seeding for Group Play

Even though this deadline is for seeding and not explicitly stated for deciding between the 4th Asia v 4th Europe team, how can the seeding be done without all the finalists having been decided? Therefore, Thu Mar 4th is the only date in which 4th Asia v 4th Europe can be decided.

BWF should be more explicit. There is a lack of professionalism in the organisation.
 
^^Good catch on that..^^

..i overlooked that ruling from the BWF's website link above...
Thus, piggy-backing and segue-way-ing on that rule..
hcyong said:
I am not bothering about the UKR-JPN TC matchup, as I am assuming a Japanese onslaught.

For UC, based on current rankings (one week before the March 4 rankings)
IND
Saina 55444.43
Mutatkar 24490
Gokhale 19970
Balan/Kurian 25610
Gutta/Ponnapa 25410

NED
Yao Jie 42800
Judith 33120.48
Van Cutsen 26730
Barning/Muskens 24860 (hmmm, never heard of them)
Van Cutsen/Doreman 17024.88

Out with the calculators,
150,924.43 for IND
144,535.36 for NED

Based on this week's ranking and my understanding on how this will play out, looks like IND wins out.

Please do correct me if I'm wrong.
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- Are those pts just recently added?
- Or are those pts reflected on cxytdn's link (World Team Ranking for Feb. 04)?? Did cxytdn's WR lists use the same calculation as above?
- If they're newly added pts, from which tournaments were those pts from?
- Did they reward WR pts during the Asia & Europe T&UC Prelims also?:confused:
 
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News article taken from BadmintonAsia.org

JAPAN AND INDIA LIKELY TO WIN THE 4TH SLOT IN THOMAS AND UBER CUPS

Wednesday, 03 Mar 2010

Japan and India look favourites to qualify through to the Final Rounds of the Thomas and Uber Cups respectively at the expense of Ukraine and the Netherlands.

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According to world ranking list of 25th February 2010, Japan had accumulated a total of 169,175.87 points against Ukraine’s 74966.3 points – an overwhelming advantage. This would need to be confirmed by the BWF ranking list to be released on Thursday 4th March. Unofficially though, Japan is set to win the final Thomas Cup slot.

In the case with India and the Netherlands for the one slot available in Uber Cup competition, the Indians enjoy a slight advantage over the Europeans – 150924.43 against the Dutch’s 144535.36 points. These numbers are not expected to change when the official list is made known on Thursday 4th March in Kuala Lumpur. India looks to be the last team in.

*Read completely through this link -- http://www.badmintonasia.org/newspage.aspx?newsID=414
 
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ctjcad said:
..i overlooked that ruling from the BWF's website link above...
Thus, piggy-backing and segue-way-ing on that rule..

- Are those pts just recently added?
- Or are those pts reflected on cxytdn's link (World Team Ranking for Feb. 04)?? Did cxytdn's WR lists use the same calculation as above?
- If they're newly added pts, from which tournaments were those pts from?
- Did they reward WR pts during the Asia & Europe T&UC Prelims also?:confused:
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Same calculation with the article above, based on last week's official rankings. So, still pending confirmation from today's rankings.

I believe points have been added for the Euro UC prelims (not bothered to check) since it was some time ago. For IND, once the Asia UC prelims are added, the points can only be higher, so very, very likely IND will top NED.

If cxytdn will also release his rankings for Mar 4, then we have a conversation.
 
India UC Team, see you in KL

Previous week's rankings -> Current ranking
IND
Saina 55444.43 -> 55946.7646
Mutatkar 24490 -> 24490
Gokhale 19970 -> 20930.7
Balan/Kurian 25610 -> 27001
Gutta/Ponnapa 25410 -> 28618.15

NED
Yao Jie 42800 -> 42800
Judith 33120.48 -> 33120.48
Van Cutsen 26730 -> 26730
Barning/Muskens 24860 -> 23580
Van Cutsen/Doreamon 17024.88 -> 17024.88

As you can see, NED total went down a little and IND total only went higher.
 
looks to be official..

hcyong said:
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I believe points have been added for the Euro UC prelims (not bothered to check) since it was some time ago. For IND, once the Asia UC prelims are added, the points can only be higher, so very, very likely IND will top NED.
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..so there were ranking pts awarded during the regional prelims??..
hcyong said:
Previous week's rankings -> Current ranking
IND
Saina 55444.43 -> 55946.7646
Mutatkar 24490 -> 24490
Gokhale 19970 -> 20930.7
Balan/Kurian 25610 -> 27001
Gutta/Ponnapa 25410 -> 28618.15

NED
Yao Jie 42800 -> 42800
Judith 33120.48 -> 33120.48
Van Cutsen 26730 -> 26730
Barning/Muskens 24860 -> 23580
Van Cutsen/Doreamon 17024.88 -> 17024.88

As you can see, NED total went down a little and IND total only went higher.
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- Do you know which tourneys did Saina, Gokhale, Balan/Kurian and Gutta/Ponnapa participate in to garner those pts? i assume those new pts are from tourneys in February prior to the Asia T&UC prelims?
- Strange to see Barning/Muskens lost pts..
 
ctjcad said:
..so there were ranking pts awarded during the regional prelims??..

- Do you know which tourneys did Saina, Gokhale, Balan/Kurian and Gutta/Ponnapa participate in to garner those pts? i assume those new pts are from tourneys in February prior to the Asia T&UC prelims?
- Strange to see Barning/Muskens lost pts..
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Any BWF team competition will award ranking points, TC, UC, Sudirman Cup, TC/UC prelim etc. For Saina, Gokhale et al, they got new points from the UC prelim. For NED, they already got their UC prelim points some weeks before.

For Barning/Muskens, last year's Austrian International points got dropped.
 
hcyong said:
Previous week's rankings -> Current ranking
IND
Saina 55444.43 -> 55946.7646
Mutatkar 24490 -> 24490
Gokhale 19970 -> 20930.7
Balan/Kurian 25610 -> 27001
Gutta/Ponnapa 25410 -> 28618.15

NED
Yao Jie 42800 -> 42800
Judith 33120.48 -> 33120.48
Van Cutsen 26730 -> 26730
Barning/Muskens 24860 -> 23580
Van Cutsen/Doreamon 17024.88 -> 17024.88

As you can see, NED total went down a little and IND total only went higher.
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Sorry to interrupt in the discussion (but being an Indian fan I would like to see my team in). I don't think Jie Yao participated in the Uber Cup qualifying. But still we are adding her points to the totals? Isn't it a little strange?
 
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hcyong said:
Any BWF team competition will award ranking points, TC, UC, Sudirman Cup, TC/UC prelim etc. For Saina, Gokhale et al, they got new points from the UC prelim. For NED, they already got their UC prelim points some weeks before.

For Barning/Muskens, last year's Austrian International points got dropped.
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ok, thanks for confirming; i had a feeling abt that.
But looking at the list above, how come Mutatkar didn't get any pts whilst the rest of her teammates did? did she play at all? or they'll only give pts when a player plays?

For Barning/Muskens, you mean "last week's Austrian International.."
 
Guys read the thomas and uber cup rules and regulations carefully.
“Men’s Team World Badminton Championship
This was stated way before the continental qualifiers were played out including how the countries would be ranked (total points of first 3 singles and top 2 doubles) and how the 12th qualifiers would be decided.
Dates were also explicity mentioned.
The main thing is the document has to be read as a whole document from the first para to the last not taking paras here and there and confusing the whole situation.
Congrats to Japan and India for being the 12th qualifiers for the Thomas and Uber Cup respectively!!
Let's look forward to the Thomas and Uber Cup Finals.
 
vpsingh said:
Sorry to interrupt in the discussion (but being an Indian fan I would like to see my team in). I don't think Jie Yao participated in the Uber Cup qualifying. But still we are adding her points to the totals? Isn't it a little strange?
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It's not strange at all. When calculating a team's ranking, all players are taken into account. It does not matter which tournaments they participated or did not participate in. The UC prelim is the UC prelim. Ranking is ranking.

It's like when LCW did not become World Champ but still retained #1. WC is WC and ranking is ranking.
 
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