WC Seedings.

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  1. kwun

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    Here are the seeding announced for the WC this year..

    SEEDS:
    Men''s Singles
    1. Chen Hong (CHN); 2. Kenneth Jonassen (DEN); 3. Taufik Hidayat (INA); 4. Anders Boesen (DEN); 5. Xia Xuanze (CHN); 6. Sony Dwi Kuncoro (INA); 7. Agus Hariyanto (HKG); 8. Lee Hyun Il (KOR); 9. Wong Choong Hann (MAS); 10. Ronald Susilo (SIN); 11. Hidetaka Yamada (JPN); 12. Boonsak Polsana (THA); 13. Shon Seung Mo (KOR); 14. Ng Wei (HKG); 15. Bjoern Joppien (GER); 16. Przemyslaw Wacha (POL)

    Women''s Singles
    1. Wang Chen (HKG); 2. Zhang Ning (CHN); 3. Mia Audina Tjipatawan (NED); 4. Gong Ruina (CHN); 5. Zhou Mi (CHN); 6. Xie Xingfang (CHN); 7. Camilla Martin (DEN); 8. Kanako Yonekura (JPN); 9. Karina de Wit (NED); 10. Kim Kyeung Ran (KOR); 11. Marina Andrievskaya (RUS); 12. Petra Overzier (GER); 13. Judith Meulendijks (NED); 14. Miho Tanaka (JPN); 15. Kelly Morgan (WAL); 16. Julia Mann (ENG)

    Men''s Doubles
    1. Ha Tae Kwon & Kim Dong Moon (KOR); 2. Lee Dong Soo & Yoo Yong Sung (KOR); 3. Jens Eriksen & Martin Lundgaard Hansen (DEN); 4. Lars Paaske & Jonas Rasmussen (DEN); 5. Pramote Teerawiwatana & Tesana Panvisvas (THA); 6. Yim Bang Eun & Kim Yong Hyun (KOR); 7. Fu Haifeng & Cai Yun (CHN); 8. Michael Lamp & Mathias Boe (DEN); 9. Tadashi Ohtsuka & Keita Masuda (JPN); 10. Nathan Robertson & Anthony Clark (ENG); 11. Candra Wijaya & Sigit Budiarto (INA); 12. Nikolaj Zuev & Stanislav Pukhov (RUS); 13. Michael Sogaard & Jim Laugesen (DEN); 14. Sergio Llopis & Jose Antonio Crespo (ESP); 15. Michal Logosz & Robert Mateusiak (POL); 16. Shuichi Nakao & Shuichi Sakamoto (JPN)

    Women''s Doubles
    1. Wei Yili & Zhao Tingting (CHN); 2. Rikke Olsen & Ann-Lou Jorgensen (DEN); 3. Gao Ling & Huang Sui (CHN); 4. Mia Audina Tjiptawan & Lotte Jonathans (NED); 5. Yang Wei & Zhang Jiewen (CHN); 6. Pernille Harder & Mette Schjoldager (DEN); 7. Chikako Nakayama & Keiko Yoshitomi (JPN); 8. Shizuka Yamamoto & Seiko Yamada (JPN); 9. Ra Kyung Min & Lee Kyung Won (KOR); 10. Jo Novita & Lita Nurlita (INA); 11. Ella Tripp & Joanne Wright (ENG); 12. Jo Muggeridge & Felicity Gallup (WAL); 13. Kirsteen McEwan & Yuan Wemyss (SCO); 14. Nicole Grether & Juliane Schenk (GER); 15. Hwang Yu Mi & Lee Hyo Jung (KOR); 16. Chien Yu-Chin & Cheng Wen-Hsing (TPE)

    Mixed Doubles
    1. Zhang Jun & Gao Ling (CHN); 2. Jens Eriksen & Mette Schjoldager (DEN); 3. Nathan Robertson & Gail Emms (ENG); 4. Jonas Rasmussen & Rikke Olsen (DEN); 5. Nova Widianto & Vita Marisa (INA); 6. Michael Lamp & Ann-Lou Jorgensen (DEN); 7. Tri Kusharyanto & Emma Ermawati (INA); 8. Chris Bruil & Lotte Jonathans (NED); 9. Kim Dong Moon & Ra Kyung Min (KOR); 10. Lars Paaske & Pernille Harder (DEN); 11. Tadashi Ohtsuka & Shizuka Yamamoto (JPN); 12. Kim Yong Hyun & Lee Hyo Jung (KOR); 13. Chen Qiqiu & Zhao Tingting (CHN); 14. Norio Imai & Chikako Nakayama (JPN); 15. Robert Blair & Natalie Munt (ENG); 16. Matthew Hughes & Jo Muggeridge (WAL)
     
  2. Hugo

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    LOL, Kwun, you always beat me to these postings!!:)

    Looking at seedings, there may be possible upsets early on (in) men's singles, as Bao Chunlai and Lin Dan are both unseeded, and have potential to beat all of the seeded when in form.

    Chinese MD still looking weak with only one seed in top 16 (Fu/Cai at 7*). But this is showing the improvement of that young Chinese pairing in recent months. I hope they find great success at WC.

    Finalized match draws will be posted up tomorrow. Catch them RIGHT HERE.
     
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    hehe. yes. both Lin and Bao are unseeded. also, of all the Malaysians, only one player, WongCH is seeded. the rest of the team are completely seedless.

    interesting to find out what the draw is like. i just read an article in chinabadminton about the Chinese MD. quite interesting. but too bad i still have tons of work to finish tonight, may be someone else can translate it...

    notice the Chinese got top seed on all but MD.

    also notice Jonas is no.4 seed in both MD and XD. good luck Jonas.
     
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    Noticed that about 50% of the seeded players does not deserved "to be there" as it does not reflect their true capabilities.
    Chances are:
    1) In MS, seed No. 11, 14, 15 and 16;
    2) In MD, seed No. 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 14, 15 and 16;
    might get bundled out as early as the 1st round.

    IBF rulings of adhering to the current world ranking system in deciding the seedings of such a big event is simply to rigid.
    I personally feel that even the seeding of Anders Boessen and Agus Hariyanto at no 4 and no 7 respectively is too "overating".:mad:

    Only the WS seedings make more sense, with the "true" top 8 players receiving what they deserve.
     
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    There is no other objective way of doing the seedings. Using a judging committee to decide relative seedings opens the way to even more conflicts and accustions of conflict of interest. I suspect that for some seeds, they played in the minor satellite tournaments for game practice. This then earnt those players points which have now been factored in.

    Such a change in the seedings is inevitable considering the lack of tournaments because of SARS. For sure, this is going to be a very interesting situation and one that we may not come across again. The seedings favour a lot of 'fringe' players. I wonder if it will be any advantage to them. Last WC, I remember two fringe players causing upsets. Tam Kai Chuen beat Roslin Hashim [no.1] seed, Agus H beat Ji Xin Peng. Then Lee Tsuen seng had an opportunity against Peter Gade. What could have happened if these 3 players had a more favourable draw?
     
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    In the 2002 Danish Open Kim Dong Moon played with Hwang Yu Mi and I thought they were a better pair than KDM and Ra Kyung Min.
    Anyone know why KDM is back with RKM? Or was RKM injured or something around the Danish?
     
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    i think she was taking a break - for what reason, I do not know.

    I'm predicting the WD combo of Yang Wei and Zhang JieWen to reach the s/final, at least. Can't see anybody beating them two except for Huang Sui/Gao Ling.
     
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    The draw is finally out....
    explosive matches start right from Round 1:)

    In MS:

    Bao CL vs Peter Rasmussen
    Winner to play Chen Hong in Round 2

    Peter Gade vs Park Tae Sang
    Winner to play Wong CH in Round 2
    Survivor of the Round 2 match will meet Xia Xuanze in last 16
    Then, winner to play Chen Hong.

    Pity China, has 3 players in the same quarter!!!
    :mad:
     
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    In the second quarter of MS:

    Exciting Round 1 match - Anders Boessen vs Roslin Hashim
    Winner to play Hafiz Hashim in Round 2

    Lin Dan vs Marleve Mainaky in Round 1
    Winner to play Sony Dwi Kuncoro in Round 2

    Poor luck on China, all its 4 MS players are placed in the same top half of draw!:(
     
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    Bottom half of draw is relatively easy!

    The only interesting 1st round match-up:
    Lee Hyun-il vs Lee Tsuen Seng
    Winner shall cruise all the way to last 8, where Taufik Hidayat will be waiting.

    Last quarter has Kenneth J with Shon SM for a potential last 16 showdown. Winner shall play either Agus Hariyanto or Boonsak Polsana in quarter finals.
     
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    In MD, the unseeded Malaysian pairs are doomed for early exit.

    Choong/Lee is down to play Chandra/Sigit in Round 1.
    The survivor will have an easy Round 2 match before a last 16 showdown with no 2 seeds Lee/Yoo.

    Malaysian no 1 pair of Chan/Chew will play top English pair in Round 1. Winner of the match is virtually thru to a last 16, where world no 1 pair of Ha/Kim is waiting.

    What a disasterous draw for Malaysian doubles!:mad:
     
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    many thanks to whizkelv of MAS for providing the updates.

    its really interesting to see how the countries in the MS are bunch up together.

    CHN will encounter each other and eliminate one another all the way.
    MAS have the hashim bro's potentially playing one another within the first two rounds.
    INA also have a couple of local draws within the first few rounds.

    I'm sure there will be quite a few raised eye brows already and probably some protest from Head Coaches regarding the outcome of the MS draw.

    indeed the MAS MD draw is not good.

    but within the WC2003, anything can happen.

    Lets hope for a good fight...........can't wait for it to start.

    The countdown for us starts now ..... !!!!!
     
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    whizkelv and andy,

    please disregard that draw as it has serious errors in it. The draw software must have not have the correct functions inputted. Here's the whole story:

    From www.worldbadminton.net
    Redraw in World Championships men's singles
    18/07/2003 : Although the draws for the QI IBF World Championships were successfully concluded today in Milton Keynes (ENG), there was embarrassment for IBF and its software suppliers when the men’s singles draw turned out to have errors in it.

    The separation of the top-ranked entries from each Association were not always in opposite halves of the draw, as IBF Regulations require.

    As soon as the error was spotted, IBF Chief Executive Neil Cameron, who was at the draw as IBF observer, asked for the incorrect draw to be removed from the IBF website, less than 15 minutes after it had been published.

    Following consultation with World Championships Referee Henry Ee in Singapore, the draw was done again, this time successfully.

    “It was embarrassing to have such a high-profile error,” said Cameron “but it shows how difficult it is to test such software – the same software produced four other draws which were correct, and the software has been used many times since its introduction nine months ago without this particular error occurring.

    “We will be conducting a review with our software suppliers to understand how the error and to prevent it recurring.”

    The INCORRECT men's singles draw sees Peter Rasmussen in the third slot of the draw - please disregard this draw

    The new draw is already up here and this time Chen Hong does not face any toughie early on!
    :)
     
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    huhhh.... it's a huge relief to me!:D

    The new draw makes more sense. Still, excitement will began right from Round 1.
    Among them:

    Shon SM vs Marleve Mainaky, in 1st quarter

    Sony DK vs Peter Gade, in 2nd quarter

    Roslin Hashim vs Boonsak Polsana, in 3rd quarter (where winner will play Hafiz Hashim)

    Lee TS vs Kenneth Jonassen, in last quarter.

    But this is a very much more balanced draw.
    :)
     
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    Well, my only concern for new MS draw is that Xia, Lin, and Bao are all relatively bunched close in 2nd half. Chen Hong is only Chinese up in first half, and does not have any legitmately tough opponent until probably 4th round???

    Taufik is set to meet Lin Dan in round 3! Sony is to meet Gade in round 1!

    That's the problem when some top-profile players aren't high on rankings list.


    *edit: Lin is to meet Xia, not Taufik! Sorry.
     
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    Summary of the locations of "big names" towards medal playoff goal :)

    Quarter 1

    (1) Chen Hong
    (11) H Yamada
    (7) Agus Hariyanto
    (13) Shon SM
    Marleve Mainaky

    Quarter 2

    (4) Anders Boesen
    (9) Wong CH
    Budi Santoso
    (6) Sony DK
    Peter Gade
    (10) Ronald Susilo
    Peter Rasmussen

    Quarter 3

    Hafiz Hashim
    Roslin Hashim
    (12) Boonsak Polsana
    (8) Lee HI
    Bao CL
    (15) Joppien B
    (3) Taufik Hidayat

    Quarter 4

    Lin Dan
    (16) Wacha P
    Park TS
    (5) Xia Xuanze
    (14) Ng Wei
    Lee TS
    (2) Kenneth Jonassen

    So, Chen Hong's quarter appears to be the easiest of the lot.
     
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    Based on the draw, the likely semis showdown are:

    Chen Hong vs Wong CH/Peter Gade
    Taufik/Bao CL/Hafiz vs Lin Dan/Xia Xuanze/Kenneth

    I'm picking Peter Gade to "upset" Sony, while Wong CH has a very good chance of advancing to last 8 as Anders Boesen is not as formidable as his ranking suggested.

    It will be tough for Hafiz to get past Taufik, has an outside chance only if Bao CL beats Taufik, then he stands a better chance to get into semis.

    The Chinese players should dominate the last quarter, as Kenneth may not even get past Lee TS.

    WC.... ALL THE WAY!!!:D
     
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    Wow, a look at your quarter roundups and it definitely shows Chen Hong is in easy company against the other quarters. I think CH's basically got the semis in the bag. In fact, the entire 1st half just ain't as tough as 2nd.

    Also, in 3rd quarter, even though I don't want to say it, but Lee Hyun Il should be watched carefully, because he has played well recently and has potential to beat any on a good day.

    Some other notable mentions:

    In WS, 3 Chinese ladies snuggled together in 1st half while Zhang Ning is left alone on far end of 2nd half.

    In XD, the Danes are the hardest hit! Jonas/Rikke lone Danish pair in first half, while all 3 other Danish qualifiers are only 3 slots apart in far end of 2nd half.
     
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    Agree with you, Hugo.
    Lee HI is a dangerous player, he may just shock the Hashim brothers when least expected. However, have doubts on whether he has it to go all the way, especially in last 8, where either Taufik or Bao CL will be waiting.
     
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    I believe MD No.7 Cai/Fu will be at least in top 8, based on greatly improved skills in the last few months (they are very young still) on top of the previous performance.

    And if I am not read it wrong, MD No.6 has a bye in first round, how can they get bundled in the 1st round? In fact they are pretty strong , IMHO, I bet they will be in the top 8 too if they can pass Cheng Rui Wang Wei, which is likely to happen.


     

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