i think the tournaments are more interesting with taufik than without. and i think many posters who complain about his behaviours spend some freetime to comment about him:crying:
Well, fights in hockey are interesting too and attracts 'certain' type of fans. What puzzles me is those interesting things that TH does are considered 'arts' by some taufik fans, and taufik fans use 'artistic' ways to explains TH's lost and mis-behaviors. LD fans too do like watching TH plays, to lose in artistic ways Too bad he walks out the most interestiing matches, like against LD.
ok sorry for calling LD a zombie... ssheeshh... Im not even an indonesian... I'm not calling TH a saint.... I dont believe in sainthood... LD not penalised before? maybe not from BWF... but during malaysian open 2006 final against LCW, he got a red card at the final point. TH doesnt need applauses for behaving normally. He just has to be himself, which he always has been that way. I think everyone has a right to be themselves regardless of fans expectations.
I guess that's the kind of thinking Mike Tyson had when he decided to bite someone's ear during his boxing championship match. Yet, with that kind of thinking, people still blame LD for throwing his own racket, and refused to put something on "HIS OWN HEAD" during Malaysia open... LD was just being himself, too.
hey bananaboy!!! I know you only like to see the end results! I would like good end results too!!! for me, badminton is not just about end results. I dont really care how you see a game, but for me its not just about end results, but how you get there. and sorry for calling LD a Zombie... that was too harsh a word on him... LD is a great champion... but I dont think he is the greatest. You calling TH a loser???? maybe you call everyone else besides lin dan and Roger federer a loser... f.u. I have been playing badminton for almost 20 years. Please dont tell me to go watch figure skating as a replacement for badminton. I really dont need your input on this. its just my personal opinion.
bananaboy, no need to reply to JM's last post. You don't want to sink yourself to his level. He had shown his 'artistic' ways as well. Don't want this fun thread closed either
That's it??? you can only compare Mike Tyson's story of biting someone's ear off to Taufik's walking off the court or throwing away the game? can you be more constructive than that??? never mind... I dont want to hear about it. It will just be something cynical. LD refusing to put something on HIS own head IN Malaysia was bad... He shouldnt have come to malaysia at all with that kind of arrogance as it will only infuriate the locals as this is their culture all the while.
I didnt know there was levels I could sink so that I could be under somebody.. for your information, I am not that artistic. but maybe you are also sarcastic in the way you put it. I am only stating my point of view... and sorry... but i'm not an extremist or a terrorist. I will leave if there was nothing constructive that came out of it. sorry for all this. Lin Dan... you are the best!!! muahahahha
No it's not that we hate him but more like we are dissappointed with his attitudes and sometimes behaviors. Many of us know that Taufik is capable of demonstration the highest quality of badminton yet he rarely shows us his true form. I know he was trying in the games (WC'06, China Open) against Chen Hong and Lin Dan (Japan Open up until 3rd set) but we are talking about his effort regularly in practices & tournaments. It is shown that he hasn't been practicing or conditioning as often as before WC'05 through his awful form. And these past recent tournaments are not the only evidence we see Taufik's carelessness attitude. An example from the top of my head is the Malaysian Open 2005 (???) where it is said that he got drunk the night before he plays Lee Chong Wei thus resulting in a devastating loss of 15-0 / 15-1 or something like that. Don't get me wrong because I still like Taufik over Lin Dan overall but these behaviors and attitudes that kinda sadden me since he should show more qualities that of great sport legends. To me, Lin Dan is great in that he always put 100% effort whenever he plays and his great mental strength but his arrogant attitude and sportmanship are very poor. Taufik in this sense is better as he has almost always shown good sportmanship and he's only arrogant against Lin Dan. If he matures himself and put in great effort like Peter Gade, Lee Chong Wei, Wong Choong Hann, and Kenneth Jonassen, he wouldn't get any complaint from me. To clarify this, I don't really mind that he isn't winning much but just wish that he can be more like those players when it comes to trying his best on court. But I'm pretty sure when he does this, he'll start winning more thus giving us fans and spectators more excitement and enjoyment when watching his games. Remember pros are made famous because of the fans and spectators as we show them great support by watching them; Taufik along with many other pros wouldn't have their fame if it wasn't for us fans. The main reason why they are endorsed is because they bring in crowds of spectators and fans. And if they weren't sponsored they would not have any chance to play since they would need to work to earn a living instead unless they are already rich but that is usually never the case.
check this out... don't u guys ever REALIZE that this comment about TH is just a matter of different paradigms? (paradigm: the way u view something mostly based on your value and vanity) Therefore, these comments are not based on a solid ground. Their truth is really in doubt. A simple example how different paradigms work: If a man steal your money, what do you think of him?? a negative paradigm: he is such a bad guy. a positive paradigm: if he doesn't steal, can he lives on? --> he's not really a bad guy. Then, is he truly a bad guy or not? saying that he's such a bad guy because of your feelings after ur money lost is not based on a good reason and facts. The positive paradigm is closer to the truth cuz it's at least based on a good reasoning. Now back to the real problems about TH... 1. why TH only wins big tournament? a negative paradigm: he's lazy. a positive paradigm: he has his own goals and expectations that we've to respect. The truth (based on good reasoning and facts): if he's lazy how the hell he makes it to a great player that needs extreme hardwork. However, the facts say that he is a very talented one, that would be a good reason why he has quite extreme goals and expectations. 2. why did he walk off the court? a negative paradigm: he's bad tempered, childish, etc a positive paradigm: he loses in style, artistic, etc The truth: The facts say that he's a bit bad tempered, he also hit a spectator once. And how does losing in style sound??? It's not based on a good reason at all. 3. Some people also says that TH is arrogant, thinks highly of himself, etc. The truth: The facts say that TH admits the greatness of his opponent. TH also regards himself as one of Top players who could beat each other. Therefore, TH doesn't think highly of himself and no arrogance of him spotted. Conclusion on truth about TH (based on facts and reasoning): TH is a great and talented badminton player. Because of his talent, he has different expectations than most of players (only win big tournaments). He's not arrogant and he doesn't think highly of himself. However, TH is sometimes bad tempered cuz he can't control his temper (walk off the court, try to hit a spectator,etc).
Sorry, you need to drop the crack pipe if you think walking off the court is losing in style and artistic. And going into the stands and hitting a spectator is a bit bad tempered? SSuly, you say are from the U.S. but I think we are from different worlds based on your post.
Dinkalot, u misunderstood me..... "walking off the court is losing in style and artistic" it's a postive paradigm.. but it's not the truth. it's not based on sound reasoning. it's a total bs.
lol, dinkalot, u beat to it. I'm thinking more like different galaxy or universe, places where no man had gone before
cooler, u misunderstood me too.. read my reply to dinkalot sorry if I confused you guys. I hope u guys read more thoroughly.
Ahhhh, those BC pots sure smells good. Maybe one puff will make everyone here understand what you are trying to get at
Quick take... ssuly, thanks for your input...sorry, i'm snipping most of your post for brevity.. anyways, this is my take..if i don't misunderstood what you are attempting to post.. The fact:i understand what you are trying to point out. Yes, we humans, esp. fans have a natural tendency to "judge" certain people/players on the merit of what they should or should not do... but.. The truth(as you like to put it & as i've mentioned before):as a *professional athlete*, esp. one who has won arguably 2 of the IBF/BWF's most prestigious titles/achievements in back to back yrs, should he continue and behave like what he's done the last 3-4 months?? If he really has some valid excuse(s) for his recent behaviors, then he surely must've been pretty good at "hiding" it. Add to that, remember, he was a 2-time IBF Player of the Year(2005 & 2006), most likely chosen for his "exemplary" behavior *on the court*.... now, that's something to think about...hehe BTW, i have a feeling taufik-ist must be really enjoying(probably laughing at the same time) reading and looking at this thread, which he started, grow longer & longer..
ctjcad, thanks for your argument relating to my post. although, I'm not sure if I can understand what u're trying to get at either. But, i'll try.. Truth: TH has disappointed many of his fans and a lot of badminton spectators since HKO incident. However, TH realized this situation and said his apology to IBF. There's no better reason for this incident despite TH's lack of ability to control his temper at those kind of situation. Some facts also support this reasoning.
Truth or fact??..Fact or truth??.. ..(it's ok, if you don't quite understand what i'm trying to get at also)... ..hmm, i thought those are "facts"??...Anyways, i'm sure you're aware that the HK Open incident wasn't the only tourney which he disappointed a lot of fans, correct??.. And i really hope the disciplinary act/warning given by the BWF council(during the WC) wasn't "the only way" Taufik will finally conduct, behave himself again on court??..
he things that we're already know is that taufik doesn't care about people comment for his action he just do what he thinks should do. but something that this forum don't know is that taufik's fans don't care too for everything people said about them and taufik, we just enjoy everything that taufik do, about pbsi coruption, taufik lazy, bla.. bla..bla..., you just wasting your energy. you should know the different beetwen taufik's fans and the other player fans is the way their thinking about their idols we enjoy the fells arrogant of taufik, we fell that we win eventhough taufik lost, can u enjoy the feeling when he walk out from HO and World Cup, can u enjoy the felling of taufik's lost when he just threw away the shuttle cock to the net when he lost from lin dan 21-3, i bet you can't? Like life is not everything about money so does badminton is not everything about achievement, hey you rich than me but i'm enjoy my life than u i don't care about people said about me, same as taufik hey you better than me but i enjoy my play what people said ahhh terserahlah. Naive people give everthing their best but they never get the best, because they don't know that everything is not being number 1, ahhh i think u'll never understand THE WAY OF TAUFIK FANS.