Toward a Better Tomorrow: A New Framework for Karma and Moderation

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  1. LazyBuddy

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    Ok, seems there's a significant section reviewing my suggestion regarding "not allow negative karma from members". I understand everyone has his/her own preference, and I am open to any suggestions. However, I just want to clarify something 1st.

    1. The main reason I proposed the "no negative karma" solution, is because I see some cases that some members were abusing the karma system. The karma system should be used to identify whether a person's post is "informative" or not, but not "agree vs. disagree". As of myself, sometimes, I give positive karmas to ppl, even if his/her solution / suggestion / technique might not be my favorite. However, I still think him/her contribute some useful ideas to the community. Even though, his/her idea might not be the "meat" or even the "poison" to me, but overall, I still consider that's fair statement. However, some other members just rate the karma as "positive = I like ur idea" and "negative = I don't agree".

    2. In theory, the difference between 10 and 3 vs. 5 and -2 are the same. However, I don't want to be rated as "negative". You can say I over concerned about the system, but no one want to be embarrassed, especially if him/her is a victim of the "abuse" as I mentioned in #1. Therefore, I would prefer to distiguish the "superior" and "normal" with positive only, but not positive vs. negative.

    3. I don't understand what's wrong with "hold our hands". The moderators are the leaders for our community. They should be the ones trusted by everyone. They represent the fairness and standard. It's like, if there's a dispute among you and me in daily life, we go to the court, and let the judge to determine the case, but not someone randomly off the street, or to be worse, someone from either your or my own family. You should not give me a "bad record", because you are under emotion, and of course, I should not do the same. Therefore, if you feel I am crossing the board, you can report, and let the moderators to determine whether it's the case or not. This way, the result should be fair, and the system gets less chance to be abused.
     
  2. twobeer

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    I am indecisive, should i re-read quistors posts, or re-read Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky...

    decisions, decisions...

    /Twobeer
     
  3. cappy75

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    This is quite 'enlightening' to say the least... about Quisitor:D.
     
  4. wilfredlgf

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  5. ctjcad

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    Hmmm...

    :p....hmmm, a 100-page reply to Confucius due out in Summer '08??..I'm sure our Sir Linus, azabaz_ipoh & chris@cccare looking forward to that post..:eek::confused::rolleyes::p...
    ..exactly, or like Master NGP/DinkAlot likes to say "Egg-zachary":p...Do you know why or what's the reason why so many member' posted a reply and eventually led to that thread being locked ??..:confused::rolleyes::p
    Again, BC is what it is, "perfectly imperfect"..And if it wasn't for what it's been all about, then i doubt this forum would be as popular as it has been..;):cool:
    ..tell me about it...:rolleyes::p:D;)
    Anyways, this thread sounds like somewhat of a continuation from that thread...Hopefully, this thread won't go that route..:p:rolleyes::(;)
     
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    So what is the conclusion now?
     
  7. wilfredlgf

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    Nothing much really. We're not intelligent enough for this thread apparently.
     
  8. kwun

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    no one currently know what type system will match the goal. what was implemented was an available system that has been developed over the years by the forum software designer who has experience over tens of thousands of their clients. to me that sounds more reliable than a few of us trying to guess what a fitting mechanism can look like.
    you can quote me on that, but we never ban someone without reading through their posts.

    in my view, choosing the wrong moderator is far worse than using a wrong Karma system. the negative impact to the forum itself can potentially destroy the forum socially.
     
  9. kwun

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    i might need to hire a moderator just to respond to qui's long posts. wilfred do you want to take this job? ;)
     
  10. chris-ccc

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    Yes, we now have a post from quisitor in that Confucius thread

    Hi ctjcad,

    Yes... finally, we now have a post from quisitor in that Confucius thread, as located at:
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=657837#post657837

    Cheers... chris@ccc
     
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    Karma: It is deeds, not words, that matter most

    Hi kwun,

    I think that our karma system is going fine, although many of our members think that they are not interested in it. :):):)

    And some, including myself, are just trying to discourage members from giving negative karma points when disagreement arises.

    This is because each of us are entitled to have different opinions on different matters. And who is to decide which opinion is correct ???

    It is deeds, not words, that matter most. :):):)

    Cheers... chris@ccc
     
  12. ctjcad

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    Hmm..

    ..i would second that also;)..But i'm afraid, once wilfredlgf takes that position, *there will be no turning back*...:rolleyes::p:D;)
    ..yes, i saw Q's initial reply in that thread...However, remember, that is an *unofficial* reply/post;)..Q mentioned we'll probably see the 100-page reply sometimes next summer:eek::rolleyes:...yeah, just in time for the '08 Olympics Games..:p:D;)
     
  13. wilfredlgf

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    Do I get medical benefits, allowances and provident fund deductions? It's to fund for the brain upgrade I'll be needing to understand his posts beforehand.

    (And future psychiatrist appointments).
     
  14. ctjcad

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    Don't worry..

    :p..we, BCers, will come & back you up whenever you need help...Just call us, IN CASE OF EMERGENCY..:p:rolleyes::D;)
     
  15. kwun

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    you can send me the bill, which i will forward to the claims dept, which has staff that are yet to be hired. your claimed will be processed once the staff are hired and of course in the order they were received.
     
  16. Pete LSD

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    And possible neural implants to boost comprehension. So, we need someone to fund Borg type of technology . . .

     
  17. wilfredlgf

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    I intend to remain 'organic', mind you.

    And I don't want my thoughts on Gong Ruina to be known all over the hive.
     
  18. Pete LSD

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    Dink it! It's the collective that matters :D:p.

     
  19. stumblingfeet

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    This alliteration cracked me up. Dodecahedron? lol... not a term that comes up often unless talking geometry or perhaps modern classical music.

    Anyhow, what I've seen work well in other forums is a stickied post with links to some excellent treatises and discussions on various subjects found in older threads. The problem is, who has time to go back look for some of those "classic" posts?

    It's hard to teach people to think critically, especially over the internet. Most of the time, I'm not looking to use my brain when I'm surfing the internet. Instead, I think of it as a way to simply kill time/procrastinate when I have other work to do. It's the pareto principle, where 80% of your time is spent spinning your wheels while the remaining 20% does all the work.
     

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