The Tony Gunawan Factor

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  1. Simp84

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    All double players play single until they are 16-17 before they switch their focus on Double or Mixed Event .....so fundamentally they are accustommed to play single too.
     
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    I know.. however u dont see many pro double players out there reaching finals in single events u know :p
     
  4. taufik-ist

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    he went to usa for education reason...

    you can see successfull indo badminton players, like taufik, chandra/sigit, ricky/rexy, susy susanti, they live prosperous and they're rich enough :D

    anyone can live and have good family future from badminton if they are successfull badminton players :D
     
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    haha, killing 3birds with one stone? isnt that a bit too much? :p
     
  6. MarkinJapan

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    philosophically you are streaching too far, I am by no means an ethical egotist. Eg. People who buy nikes only are concerned with themselves and not the children who make them.

    Tony is a great badminton stratagist. Yes.
    Does that carry forward into many other realms?
    Bobby Fisher is a great stratigist. Is Bobby a great doubles player? Is Tony a great chess player?

    "If u claim tony is the best MD player, u should also respect his decision"

    this statement is an utter fallacy.
     
  7. MarkinJapan

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    that being said I agree with tony's choice. Badminton is not life.
     
  8. DinkAlot

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    Ohhhhh! Them's fightin' words! :p ;) ;) ;) :D

    In all seriousness, I'd say for most of us here, "Badminton is a part of life." :D
     
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    We don't live for badminton. Badminton is just a sport that make our lives more healthier and interesting. Badminton does gives us happiness and sadness, enemies and friends as well. Our life is not all about badminton.
    The statements are not on behalf of the PROS and those people who make Badminton as their lively hood.
     
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    The pros play for a living and us BF'ers play for its fanaticism.
     
  11. cooler

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    u just reveal to us all your logic fallacy and misunderstanding on application of logic. U had twisted a valid logic of mine into something unrecognizable.

    Ex.#1

    A to B, B is to C, then C follows from A, a valid statement
    then u say, wait, i've found a case where C is to X, with that u went to
    invalidate my first statement and say A is to X, not C.

    Ex #2

    Weight lifter Mr123 is the greatest weight lifter, he won numerous medals and titles. He has the best strength to body weight ratio, like 400 lbs/200 lbs, a Lift to Body Weight Ratio (LTBR) of 2.

    then you MarkinJapan says, wait, i know something who has much better LTBR, an ant. For a body weight of .005 g, it can lift ..05 g, a LTBR of 10. By your logic, an ant should exceed Mr123 lifting capability. :rolleyes:

    The point is u cant apply strategic theory from badminton to chess and then reverse it. Thiefs, politicans, wolves, general and commanders are all great strategists, you can't discredit tony's decision because tony isnt a supreme general, commander, thief, politican or a wolf. U just cant do that.
     
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  12. MarkinJapan

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    Cooler, what in the world are you talking about?

    I made two statements.
    1. Tony is a great badminton player
    2. Bobby is a great chess player.

    I asked three retorical questions.
    1. Does stratigic awareness in one GAME, transfer to another. (no)
    2. Is Tony a great chess player BECAUSE he is a great badminton player. (no)
    3. Is Bobby a great badminton player BECAUSE he is a great chess player. (no)

    ALL I said is that just because tony is a good badminton player it does not give him the innate ability to make good choices. In any other game or in life itself.

    do you agree or disagree with that? Because in the above statement you disagree, and that is the only perverted logic in this post.
     
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    OK -- this is getting silly. If it gets a little more silly posts are going to start to disappear. ;)
     
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    hehe, i bet indonesia is pissed now
     
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    A little correction here:

    Taufik didnot want to go back to Indonesia at that time. The PBSI won't let him go to Singapore if the Singapore badminton association didn't pay PBSI for some contract money.

    Because the Singapore didnot pay the contractmoney, so Taufik had to come back to Indonesia. Later on, when Taufik won gold medal and world champion , the Singapore badminton possibly mad at themselves why they were being so cheap. And PBSI surely happy cause they insist of the cotract money.

    Personally, I dont like Taufik cause of his attitude. He is treated differently by PBSI just because he is the most talented player in MS we had right now. Other word: he is PBSI golden boy.
     
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    SG is trying again

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    FIVE years ago, Hendri Kurniawan Supatra made a decision that would change his life forever.

    Along with twin brother Wandri and younger brother Hendra Wijaya, the trio left the Jaya Raya Badminton Club in Jakarta in their quest for badminton glory with Singapore.

    They were part of the Singapore Badminton Association's (SBA) master plan to qualify for the 2012 Thomas Cup finals.


    Hendri came with excellent credentials.

    With his identical twin, the doubles pair won the 1997 German Junior Open title and the 1999 Asean Schools Championships doubles crown. They also finished runners-up at the 1998 and 1999 Asian Junior Championships doubles competitions.

    But in early 2004, Hendri's dreams came crashing down.

    He and Hendra, by now Singapore permanent residents, were sent back to Indonesia after failing their fitness test.

    However, the SBA relented when the duo asked for a second chance. They returned to Singapore last October and eventually managed to pass their fitness test earlier this year.

    Hendri finally received his Singapore citizenship in July.

    A South-east Asia (SEA) Games medal in the mixed doubles event is well within reach of Hendri and his partner Li Yujia, who are ranked 10th in the latest world rankings.

    But they will need to be at their best to see off the likes of Malaysia's Koo Kien Keat and Wong Pei Tty (8th), Thailand's Sudket Prapakamol and Saralee Thungthongkam (5th) and Indonesia's Nova Widianto and Lilyana Natsir (2nd), the only opponents ranked higher than them in the region
     

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