yep this is well explained! And I agree I heard the same thing from the ZJH in one of his commentary match, he mentioned that everybody is different, theres no way a coach can make a player to mimic another player.. it doesn't matter how the shots are executed with different style or technique, what matter the most is whether a player is able to produce an accurate shots with efficiency in his own ways.. With regarding to being smooth on court I believe it is either you are born with it or you don't.. guess this is where talent sets in
I would like to say that i don't think the serve is a tiny part of the game since it is one of the most executed hits in the game. Also i would say that the analyses of quisitor has helped me to see the game again with different eyes: it's quite stunning taufik always serve to lin dan's backhand. I think also it's a general tactic of taufik to serve (short) against left-handers (i saw against bao chunlai also) from his own (taufiks) RIGHT service-box wide to the left-handers backhand. Sometimes they respond with a quick lift on taufiks backhand and he can reply this very well unlike other players with his strong backhand (cross-court, lonline smash, etc.). Also i think the point of ssuly that the concentration this pros develop over the years is very important. I'd like to know why lin dan didn't flick serve his bachand to taufik to move him a bit more like in an earlier game..? Taufik is a great tactician in this game, which means he really chooses very carefully where to play the shuttle concerning the opponents weaknesses. I think that's one way to compensate his physical ability in terms of explosiveness and muscularity (does this word exist?) which seems not to be so good like lee hyun il's or lin dan's as it was already mentioned a lot here. Besides, i don't think it's good to mix up arguments about technique etc. with personal issues.
But i think it's interesting to point out the different strengthes and weaknesses resulting from the different styles like quisitor did. Although i don't think xxz movements looked so unsmoothely although he took giant steps often (referring to sim84 on page 1).
Sorry let me clarify, when I say it is tiny part of the game, I don't mean it is completely unimportant and should be ignored.. I believe a good service is an important winning key factor in men's singles, and I certainly notice this in my game, if I can serve well (where the shuttle is accurate, just crawl over the net) regardless doubles or singles, I can easily take control of the game But what I am not happy about is the things he wrote regarding Taufik's serve.. you know it is so easy to assumes that this was the winning stratergy when it was clearly nothing to do with it from the start, what if Taufik lost? Like what nanofans mentioned in the previous thread, I dont think this thread will even exist, and all this service crap will be overlooked.... I like Taufik and I analyse alot of Taufik game to learn from him, and I disagree with what he says here, because it is so typical for Taufik to serve short in most of his singles game, he love to mix it up, sometimes wide and somtimes T's.. sometimes in between... (Sometimes I wish he can trick his opponent with flick serve but apparently he doesn't do that often) He only serve long against opponent who he haven't encountered before or who is unfamiliar, and the real reason he serve short against LD was because he was aware that LD has the potential to kill it immediately. And why does he serve to LD's backhand all the time? I can assure you that this is just a mere conincident since LD/BCL is a left hander, please allow me to clarify: If you observe Taufik's game regardless against left or right handed player, you will notice that- 1)when on the right hand side of the court, he tend to serve wide 2) on the left hand side of the court he tends to serve T.. so you may ask: Why does he serve short? The reason to is get a perfect serve that just crawl acrross the net, to invite the opponent to play at the net (since he know he can handle the net play really well), or force the opponent to lift the shuttle to set up opportunity for attacking play. Why does he serve T when standing on the left court? Giving opponent less angle to play with, maximising the time for him to attack at the rear court if the opponent decides lift the shuttle to either corner. Why does he serve wide when serving from the right court? To invite his opponent to attack his backhand, however he is aware that he can cover that side of the court extremely well so it doesn't bother him at all, in fact he can counter attack (an unexpected backhand smash or crosscourt clear) at his backhand court which can be quite dangerous most of the time. And also it allows more time for him to move to forehand side if opponent decides to cross it as it takes longer for the shuttle to get there.. (I beieve Taufik is quite weak at covering his rear forehand corner when receiving a deep clear from opponent) I hope this clarify things for you, and I am arguing things from a neutral point of view, not becasue of Taufik's victory that lead me to false hypothesis..
thanks for this very nice analysis quisitor! guys, where can i find the first scene? thanks in advance..
Hmm, i wonder where's... ...scene #3??..anyone seen it??..it's been more than 48 hrs. & we haven't seen it..hmm..
A bit off topic-Hmmm, probably not... ...nor did he mention anything abt Scene 2 as being the "FINAL" scene..hehe Oh, or maybe, Q's Introduction thread below was/is his 3rd and "FINAL" scene..hmmm..hehe http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39023 *Btw, it's a pretty good read also, if you guys like some "humour"..
cliffnote scene one: taufik soemtimes/mostly serves wide at LD's backhand cliffnote scene two: Lin didn't smash so often really, what's all the fuss here? The observations are good, and correct, btu the conclusions are biased and exagurated
Quisitor, thanks for the education on 'thinking badminton'.LD and TH aside , I'm curious about CJ's movement and LCW's serve. CJ seems to move like a bear, ie very fast but clumsy looking ( His speed seems boosted by his intelligent game reading.) In doing so, he burns up more energy than average so if he has two grueling matches consecutively, he's likely to lose the second. In the AG, LCW appeared to have more service faults than anyone else, quite uncharacteristic. Seems like he has changed his serve. Or am I imagining? What do you think?
Quisitor definetely knows his stuff about badminton and is very intelligent with words. However, I don't think his analysis is entirely correct. If Lin Dan wasn't a smart player, he could've been upset by Taufik by disrupting his footwork tempo. However I wouldn't say Lin Dan is that much of a fool. One thing to note, is that Lin Dan has the ability to hold off his pace till the last moment and still manage to take the shuttle very early to play an offensive shot. This is due to the sheer explosiveness of his footwork, agility, height and reach. In Taufik's game he managed to hold off his pace very well, however most of the times he was just rallying around with Taufik. Probably a tactic employed to wear down Taufik. However this wasn't working very well in the second set and as such we see Lin Dan increasing his pace at around when Taufik reached 9 points. Why there is not so many smashes? One is because Lin Dan couldn't dominate the net well enough to force Taufik to play bad lift. For when Taufik lifted, Lin Dan would play a dropshot more often than not if Taufik was moving back into position comfortably. This is because Taufik is fast enough in terms of speed and reaction to retrieve Lin Dan's smash. For when Taufik is moving back desperately, Lin Dan would most definetely opt for a smash. Another reason for dragging the game into such a long rally most of the time is probably to wear down Taufik's legs. Reason for this is to reduce Taufik's speed so that Lin Dan could earn his winning points with fast smashes and also not to waste energy smashing because Taufik would most probably neutralize his attacks. An interesting thing to note, is that Lin Dan's game play has changed quite a lot compared to when he first started rising in 2003 and 2004. Back then I could recall his game play to be sheer speed and power in terms of both offense and defense, with less patience to play long ended rallies. Now his game play looks as if its becoming more and more about maneuvering and using his speed and powers only as necessary or tactically to crush down his opponent's confidence. Or in the case of Lee Hyun Ill during the Individual games, for revenge If I were Lin Dan, I would like to play against Taufik trying to out-maneuvere him to gain more experience in such a fine game play Maybe that's another reason why Lin Dan played so much to Taufik's advantage in the first set.
I was reading on page 2 , that Taufik smokes and drinks , i also heard this a lot , and last year when i was watching the all england open , i was sitting next too a lot of indonesian fans , they said he lost because of lack of stamina , due too his bad habits. I think that is awful that someone with such great talent wastes it like that , when practically all there life they train for that.
Taufik was a fantastic player.....because he is so lazy now that his coach is having problems getting him to train daily. He can still be a fantastic player if he go back to his daily training with his coach.
