Taufik's thoughts after his match against LD

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  1. chris-ccc

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    Probably, Taufik will face Lin Dan in a match there.
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    The Most Pickers Match (2009 Japan Open)

    -------------Matches-----------------------Picks---Win--Loss

    Xin.Wang.(Q)......... vs Tine.Rasmussen.[3]._53..._53...__0
    Mayu.Sekiya.(PFQ).... vs Xin.Wang.(Q)......._53..._52...__1
    Mew.Choo.Wong........ vs Shao.Chieh.Cheng.(Q_49...__2..._47
    Maria.Kristin.Yuliant vs Xin.Wang.(Q)......._49..._48...__1
    P.T.Wong/E.H.Chin.[1] vs Jin.Ma/Xiaoli.Wang-_48..._48...__0
    Anu.Nieminen......... vs Mayu.Sekiya.(PFQ).._46..._45...__1
    Nicole.Grether....... vs Eriko.Hirose.(PFQ)._45..._44...__1
    Jin.Ma/Xiaoli.Wang-5. vs N.Maheswari/G.Polii_45..._45...__0
    Chunlai.Bao.......... vs Tien.Minh.Nguyen.[8_43..._43...__0
    Moon.Hi.Kim.(PFQ).... vs Beiwen.Zhang......._42..._40...__2
    Eriko.Hirose.(PFQ)... vs Mingtian.Fu........_41..._37...__4
    Songphon.A/Kunchala.V vs Hendra.A.G/Vita.M.._41...__0..._41
    Hongyan.Pi.[7]....... vs Lin.Wang.[2]......._39..._39...__0
    Yanjiao.Jiang........ vs Saina.Nehwal.[8]..._38..._33...__5
    Nicole.Grether....... vs Megumi.Taruno......_37...__1..._36
    Adriyanti.Firdasari.. vs Nicole.Grether....._36...__0..._36
    M.Maeda/S.Suetsuna[7] vs S.Irawati/M.Jauhari_35..._33...__2
    Yihan.Wang.[4]....... vs Xin.Wang.(Q)......._35...__0..._35
    Yihan.Wang.[4]....... vs Petya.Nedelcheva..._34..._34...__0
    Chunlai.Bao.......... vs Peter.Hoeg.Gade.[3]_32..._32...__0
    Wei.Ng............... vs Kenichi.Tago......._30..._27...__3
    Eriko.Hirose.(PFQ)... vs Mew.Choo.Wong......_30..._25...__5
    Wan.Ho.Shon.(PFQ).... vs Joachim.Persson.[7]_29..._28...__1
    Salakjit.Ponsana..... vs Sayaka.Sato........_28...__1..._27
    Petya.Nedelcheva..... vs Misaki.Matsutomo.(Q_27...__1..._26
    Songphon.A/Kunchala.V vs K.Kazuno/R.Kakiiwa._27...__0..._27
    Xin.Wang.(Q)......... vs Lin.Wang.[2]......._27..._26...__1
    Sung.Hwan.Park.[6]... vs Choong.Hann.Wong..._26..._24...__2
    Sony.Dwi.Kuncoro.[5]. vs Long.Chen.........._26...__1..._25
    T.Gunawan/H.Bach..... vs H.Hashimoto/N.Hirat_26..._25...__1
    Moon.Hi.Kim.(PFQ).... vs Salakjit.Ponsana..._24...__1..._23
    Taufik.Hidayat.[4]... vs Chunlai.Bao........_24..._24...__0
     
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  3. cooler

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    that's why taufik likey mr. chong wei:)
     
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  6. ctjcad

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    Okay...here we go...

    :p..*sigh*...since you guys asked for it..

    I've already made clear what i consider as a Super Series level player.

    Super Series level players are the Standard Bearer. Gold Standard. King of the Mountain. Chief of the Tribe.....And they have these criterias:
    - Entering at least a Semifinals Rd. & Finals Rd., in a SS tourney, consistently. Consistently being close to or at least 80% of the time.
    - Winning some SS titles.

    Now..

    For the criterias of a GP or GP Gold level player, i would consider them:
    - Entering at least a Semifinals Rd. & Finals Rd., in a SS tourney, consistently.
    Consistently being close to or at least 80% of the time.
    - Winning some GP or GP Gold titles.

    For Taufik and others not named LD or LCW, they could move up to the Super Series level by accomplishing the 2 SS level criterias.
    - I mentioned the past and the present because you brought up yr 2007 when your TH was struggling & then compared to his record this yr. That's a 2 yrs difference. I mentioned, if you want to do that, let's compare this yr's record of TH and then let's see in 2011. That's another 2 yrs difference. The same comparison as you brought up. If not & to be fair, then let's compare his record in 2007 and now (which shows his inconsistency).
    Personally, i look at the overall span since the inception of the Super Series to differentiate players. Like i mentioned, sure, you can take TH's form this yr's and use it to justify that his current form "matters". But how about next yr's form or in 2011?..Will he still keep the same performance as this yr?..that, of course, we won't know.
    That's what i mean and the point i'm trying to show by being "consistent".

    - So, if there's a lot of room for different interpretations & if you don't care how other people define as "consistent", then according to you & may i ask, what is your definition of "consistent"???..Or you don't really care if a player is consistent or not?..

    - That's my point. There has to be a different standard. I'm pointing out, LD's and LCW's levels are above the rest. A few players are on the borderline.

    - I understand there are people out there who will accept lesser standard, ala Runner-Up or QF or Semifinals finishes. Like i mentioned, i don't mind & more power to you and those people.:cool:

    - Good, if you enjoy watching and supporting many players regardless of level. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to convey i don't support or not enjoy watching Taufik or Gade or SDK or players not named LD or LCW. I'm just looking @ the reality.

    - See my definition above on what i consider a SS level player. Players "below" TH's level could win 1 or 2 SS titles, but how consistent are they?
    ..hmm, so if one defines a Super Series players standard by "whoever makes it to the main draw of SS", then i can conclude players like JOJ, Persson, Sato, Wacha, Zwiebler, Anand....and on the ladies side C. Reid, Grether, Van Cutsen...are also Super Series level players??..if that's the case, are they on the same level as LD and LCW??..
    ..yes, how many more names would you add?? and under what criterias?..:confused:
    ..you got the "Super Series level player" concept of what i'm basically trying to convey (in my earlier post).
    ..the part in bold, that's what i'm trying to convey. You've summed it up. They can compete and "have the quality of SS level players, but.."...yes, there's a big BUT...;)
    ..are LinDan & Taufik confirmed to come??..:confused:
     
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    maybe tournament organizer like to match up LD with TH together to increase tournament interest and entice more sponsors:D
     
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    ^^I can sense..^^

    ..if Taufik had met LinDan (or CJ or BCL) before the Finals or Semifinals Rd., there wouldn't be a big hype on how Taufik has finally come back etc..Unfortunately, they're now 2 different levels players, as far as i can see..:(
     
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    I don't think there's much hype about Taufik being "back to his best" or anything, as that's an unrealistic expectation. It's just nice to see him getting into a few finals, and improving again.
     
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    ^^Improving on what??..^^

    ..improving over his record from 2007??..:confused:
    How long will his improvement last??..:confused:
     
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    ^^Thank you for pointing that out..^^

    ..and will his "improvement" last til the 2012 OG??..:confused:
     
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    I would be surprised if TH or PG entered the 2012 OG. But it would be great if they did, because I'm going :D
     
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    wow, u guys are discussing way too much in just 1 article from mr taufik hidayat!:p
     
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    hahaha gp gold level player
    u make me laugh a day long hahaha
    where u put ur brain??deep down in ur ass??
     
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    ^^So..^^

    ..tell us, my man, what SS titles has Taufik won??:confused:..as far as i can see, he's only won GP and GP Gold titles..
     
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    I think what ctjcad means by SS player is that the player is of SS champion material.
     
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    ^^You are indeed..^^

    ..a true BadmintonCentral Genius material; can read it through even before skipping to the 2nd page of this thread..:cool:
    *yeah, i meant something to that sort...
     
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    lol, actually i laugh the whole day long too after reading this post:D
    ah, i see...:D anymore u wanna share with me? the conclusion of the thread's story?:p
     

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