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  1. indra

    indra Regular Member

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    don't forget re-born Taufik either:D
     
  2. MSHSBadmPlayer

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    it was an outstanding performance for him during the WC in KL. i hope he keeps up with that standard and he wont be far from a gold in OG :D
     
  3. Badmintan

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    Yeah Sony had the crowd support in set 2.

    Man, the stadium exploded when he ended the 30+ (I think) shot rally with a jump smash that Lin Dan felt flat on this face.....I think Lin Dan fell down at least 3 times to retrieved Sony's smash. Felt bad for Sony the underdog.

    Post mortem:
    It's a little too late for Sony in the second set. If he played as well as he can in the first set, an upset was possible. He seems to be a thinking player, daring Lin Dan to come to the net....and forcing him to lift the shuttle...

    Lin Dan overall played a solid game.
    Toyed with Sony in the first set. (I thought the final was a whitewash)
    Although Sony gameplan is to hit Lin Dan's Backhand, Lin Dan adapted and nailed a few winners with the round the head smashes, and even forcing Sony to lose his balance a few times and destroying him at the net for the championship point itself.
     
  4. ritasony

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    i am the biggest fan sony dwi kuncoro. i want totell congratulation for sony dwi kuncoro. i love you very much:p .... muach. to everybody who want to know about him just ask me ..... ok
     
  5. ctjcad

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    Sony's a battler and fighter, but

    ..is winless & hasn't beaten LinDan, yet, in all of their meetings (i believe 6 already)..;)
    ..that's the difference between Sony and LinDan and Taufik-the thinking/mind game. After how many matches Sony played against LinDan, he still couldn't figured out how to play him. Even in his Final match vs. LinDan, only til after the break point in the 1st set and after Hendrawan gave him some coaching, did he start to change his tactic/strategy; at that point, i thought LinDan was able to read the change of tactic/strategy and was ready. Even then, he still couldn't figured out LinDan until he was trailing in the 2nd set.
     
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  6. cooler

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    sony is a worthy opponent, that's why LYB went to shake his hand afterward.
     
  7. cooler

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    are u related to Mrs. Kuncoro??
     
  8. cooler

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    TH cannot be reborned. He is a rooster and thinks highly of himself. That's why he will keep slidling after peaking in 2004-2005 because he thinks he's the best and doesn't bother to 'improve anymore'. 06 doha win over ld is just a lucky blip (ld miss timed his comeback or got bored beating TH twice in earlier doha events). Wake up Indra (*slap u*), u r living in the past.:p Ask yourself, what part of TH's game had he improved since athen? Open ur eyes man, recent lost by TH are all to lower ranked players, a vietnamese and indian.

    07 WC
    anup vs TH (21-14 24-26 22-20) TH got 60 points
    anup vs a sick H. Hafiz (21-19 18-21 21-15 ) HH got 55 points.

    TH only better than a sick Hafiz by 5 points in 3 sets. LOL
     
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  9. taufik-ist

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    TH is a major tournament specialist.. :p

    he often defeats lindan in that tounament....

    i believe TH will give his last best shot in Olympic 2008 :D
     
  10. cooler

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    hahaha, i was about to talk about that too. BTW, WC isnt big huh? lol
    Then why did TH show up at 07 WC? There is no money for appearing u know lol. Don't tell me TH isnt serious about 07WC because comment from TH before the event says otherwise.

    So, i suggest TH to rest and prepare for the 08 OG starting...NOW. He shouldn't play anymore until next august lol
     
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    u should change your name to sony-ist. :p Even i have several Sony's at home;)
     
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    ya...

    i will cheer sony more than i ever did before.. :D

    but
    i will always be taufik's loyalist.... :p
     
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    I gave Sony 10% of winning the WC even before the WC started. Some people questioned about that. I think Sony is a long time underrated player. It's unfair for him. Even indra and Taufik-ist here were constantly saying Taufik vs Simon as the perfect final. Even those die-hard ina fans never expect Sony too much. I was always wondering why nobody likes Sony.

    In fact, Sony is a very solid player. He can beat almost anybody, but there is something missing, not his skills, but the ability to win a title. Taufik did not have that ability until he won the Olympics 2004. We saw constant failures in Taufik for many years, even his Olympics debut at Sydney 2000.

    So far, we can say that most people do not have that ability to win any title at all, which includes Sony and Simon. Some players can surge and spark suddenly win a title, such as Lee CW, Taufik, Bao CL, Chen Jin, Chen Hong, Gade, even Boonsak. But they cannot win back to back. (Chen Hong and Gade used to win back to back in early days). Now Lin Dan is the only guy who can win constantly. That's what makes Lin dan great.

    Technically, Sony is not inferior to Lin Dan at all, but in order to win, and win constantly, Sony needs to improve something beyond his badminton skills.

    I would like to classify all players into 5 categories:

    1) Hopeless players: Most players in this group. They do not have any competitive.

    2) Competitive players: They are technically ready. They can beat anyone in their top days, but they cannot win the final titles. Typical players: Lee HI, Chen Yu, Sony, Kenneth Jonassen.

    3) Sporadical winners: They can win a tournament, especially when the scale of the games is small, such as AG, OG. But they cannot win constantly. Typical players: Ji Xingpeng, Taufik H, Lee CW, Bao CL, Chen Jin. Chen Hong, Peter Gade

    4) Back to Back winners: Their peak time should be longer than just 1 tournament. Xia XZ, Sun Jun, Chen Hong and Peter Gade used to be in this category. But unfortunately, there is NONE currently in this category. I hoped that Taufik could win more after WC, but he claimed he didn't want to win any more. I hoped Chen Jin could win more, but he can only win 1 or 2 six stars a year. I hoped Lee CW could win more, but he used to win only in Malaysia, and this year, only Ina Open, not at home any more. Bao can only shine one time at KO,..., it is sad that there is just no people currently can win back to back, except Lin Dan, who won constantly.

    5) Constant winner: he can win constantly, for example winning 3 in a row, 4 in row, 5 in a row, or even 8 in 10. Now unfortunately, Lin Dan is the only one in this category. Chen Hong and Peter Gade were close to this category before.
     
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  14. cooler

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    u also have to discount certain losses to unexpected injury which a player has no control of. Recent LD lost to simon santosa, to boonsak, and LCW in sudirman cup is injury related.
     
  15. bananakid

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    Well, then Peter Gade can still use his major injury that he suffered back 2001 as his reason for not winning as many titles as he used to before...:p
     
  16. ricefield

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    all players get injuries... LD is a constant winner and a champion because he was able to heal properly and recapture his ranking/titles.. PG was not.
     
  17. 2cents

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    Well, a loss is a loss, no excuses.

    If we can discount Lin Dan's lose to his injury which is a physical collapse; then we can discount all Taufik's lose to his mental collapse. Injury is a state of inferior for a certain time, while lack of muscle strength or stamina are just other forms of inferior for certain areas. It's just his own problem of his injury, not anyone else's. Any injury is just a unfit of his form, no excuse.

    On the other hand, if there is an injury, then we should not discount his loss, but we need reexamine his opponent's victory. Simon Santosa, who beat Lin Dan in injury, has not proved himself more. So his win was not justified. But Boonsak, who beat Lin Dan in injury, won the title, and also won a lot of other matches, so he deserved that win. While Lee CW, who beat Lin dan in injury, won even 2 titles and even beat Boonsak, so his win was a great win, and came as the closest one to dethrone Lin dan until badly defeated by Sony.

    Even though, despite his worst performance in WC, I think Lee CW could still be the best men's single after Lin Dan. Let's pay more attention to the upcoming Japan open.
     
  18. cooler

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    when i say injury, i mean recoverable injury. LD performance dipped (or out of action) and resprung. In PG case, he dipped but did not resprung after many years of playing again. Do u know the difference between acute and chronic?:p
     
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    TH's mental collapse is not injury related:rolleyes:
    Did i use injury excuse for LD's athen and 05 WC loss? it was mental collapse, not injury. Mental collapse is not an good excuse, it is a controllable parameter
     
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    I suppose it is time for me to look it up in wikipedia...:p Or would you be nice enough to save me some time... I am on my way to go play some badminton now... busy day.:p
     

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