Seeds for the 2016 Olympic

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  1. AlanY

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    It does appear that the NO 1 seed for all five disciplines have been decided. That is, no other player can take their position by July 21, 2016.

    1. MS- Lee Chong Wei
    2. WS- Carolina Marin
    3 MD - Lee Yong Dae/Yoo Yeon Seong
    4. WD - Misaki Matsutomo/ Ayaka Takahashi
    5. XD - Zhang Nan/ Zhao Yun Lei

    Base on the upcoming tournaments and current tournament results.
     
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    Just a quarry, since SN is currently #5 and I don't think the list will have any significant changes, does that mean she'll have RI/LXR at the QF
     
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    SN (as the other in the 5th to 8th seeds) has equal chance of drawing with any of the top 4 ranked players in the QF.
     
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    Is there any chance for Saina to be seeded?
    For example, if Shixian is selected by China ahead of Yihan?
     
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    There are 13 seeds for 2016 Olympic Games for 40 players in Women's Singles. If Shi Xian is selected instead of Yi Han, Saina Nehwal would indeed be NO. 4 seed. I'm sorry that I made the mistake earlier.

    As I earlier said, other than the top four seeds, the other "seeds" are in practice "unseeded". Whether or not Saina Nehwal can be No. 4 seed, it depends on whom Badminton Association of China selected for Olympic Games.
     
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    @AlanY

    Who can be the first round opponent of Lin Dan?

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    Nine-tailed Fox, you're asking AlanY a near-impossible question. Once the full name list is finalized, at most Alan can give you a mathematical answer based on probability.
     
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    Can you clarify what you mean by "in practice unseeded"?
    Does this mean that the top 4 seeds don't meet before semis?
     
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    The purpose of seeding is to ensure even strength throughout the draw. The higher seed is regarded as stronger player just as higher-ranked player is regarded as better player. In a typical Superseries tournament, there would be 8 seeds in the main draw of 32 players and 4 seeds in the qualifying draw of 16 players. In lower-tier tournaments such as Grand Prix Gold, Men's Singles can have even more seeds in the main draw, that is 16 seeds; because there could be 64 players in the main draw. Do you see the math behind seeding? Yes, only the top 1/4 of all players are seeded and separated.

    What about Olympic Games? In Women's Singles, for example, there are 13 players in the knock-out stage; yet all of them are to be called "seeds". Why are they called "seeds"? It's simply because they are all the winners of their respective group in group stage. It's a totally different kind of "seed". Things become different for the top 4 seeds, however.

    The top 2 seeds as usual are separated in two separate half of draws. No. 3 seed and No. 4 seed are also separated; each is drawn against either No. 1 seed's half or No. 2 seed's half. Hence, I said, in practice, only the top four seeds are the "actual" seeds.

    The NO. 1 seed and NO. 2 seed do not have to play at round of 16, which consists of 13 players. It depends on the lots of draws that either No.3 seed or No. 4 seed has to play at the round of 16. Officially, No. 1 seed and NO.2 seed get a bye at the round of 16. Both No. 3 seed and No. 4 seed have equal chances to get a bye at the round of 16.

    Yes, NO. 1 seed and NO. 2 seed will only meet each other in either final or bronze medal play-off match; so do NO. 3 seed and NO. 4 seed.
     
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    The other seeds from 5 and below are important, too. So that they will avoid the top seeds in the early group / knock-out rounds.
     
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    It's true that top 13 seeds can avoid each other in group stage. But only top 4 seeds can avoid each other in knock-out stage prior to the semi-final. The rest would pretty much face each other in knock-out stage and No. 3 or No. 4 seed, depending on who gets the bye in the round of 16.
     
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    No. 1 & No. 2 seeds are required to play 3 seeded players to win the medal. No. 3 or No. 4 seed is required to play 4 seeded players to win the medal. The other seeds are required to play 4 seeded players.
     
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    The group stage is important too. You don't want a top player in your group. So, a seeding is good.

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    Not technically true. Seeds are not guaranteed to win their group. It is even possible to win gold without meeting any seed at all

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    Yes, you are right. What I am talking about is at the knock-out stage. There are differences between top 4 seeds and the rest. I'm not talking about certainty. The whole purpose of seeding is merely based upon likelihood. It's always possible for lower-ranked player to beat higher-ranked player.
     
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    I expect the same difference between seeds 1-2, 3-4, 5-8 and 9+ ?
    You should consider seeding layers. Each layer is seeded to reach one round further, thus meeting weaker opponents in the round up to the one they're seeded for.
    So is better to be seeded 5-8, than it is being seeded 9+
     

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