Seeds for the 2016 Olympic

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  1. nilesh123

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    Indeed, this year's MS is pretty good! Though unlike WS we can still point fingers at the member of the big3 but the field looks wide open as compared to OG 2012! CL isn't at his best for sure as aforementioned in this post VA and JOJ are doing well against LD and LCW looks formidable currently! Needless to say lots of tricky players can spoil the seeding party!
     
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    You can't underestimate the seeded players :)
    Hope to see a big upset, but I would love to see LD win once again ;)
    Maybe a bronze medal for Hu Yun? I love his style, and he needs to get something from his HUGE talent! If it is a windy venue, he will be one of my favorites. Players to watch out for if windy: Lee Chong Wei, Jan O Jorgensen, Hu Yun and Boonsak Ponsana. Of course all others of the seeded players (speaking of the ranking atm), but LCW would be my favorite with Jan, Hu Yun is a monster at these venues, and never count out Boonsak (if he gets selected). Chen Long proved at WCH 2015 that he can do it in wind, but he has to be extremely offensive. Lin Dan seems to be in trouble in wind, but he has already played there. Viktor Axelsen has a chance against everyone except LCW (his defence is too good) and Jan (his attack is better than Viktor's). Both CL and VA has to play with extreme attack, something that might be hard for them?
     
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    Did you see the Euro Champs final? Viktor was doing all the smashing.
     
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    True, but Jan hasn't been playing at his highest level for a long period. If he finds his game from All England 2015, he is better at attacking than Viktor.
     
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    3rd seed is seeded to either meet 1st or 2nd seed in the SF, by luck of draw. To guarantee your players in different halves, the only ways are
    - Seed 1 & 2
    - Seed 3 & 4
     
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    China will use the above strategy for both MS and WS
     
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    Too bad for CHN that Momota was removed from WR, it is really hard now for CL and LD to let Axelsen pass both of them.
     
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    It's OK for WS (difficulg if they choose WSX) but MS?? I don't see anyway VA overtaking CL or LD to surpass LCW
     
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    If LD does very well in Thomas CUP, Aussie and Indonesian open, he could overtake LCW and achieve no 2 by 21 July. CL should of course stay at no 1.

    It is the perfect time for LD to peak.

    Either that or for Chen Long to do really poorly in Aussie and Indonesia. LD also needs to do poor enough to drop in ranking so that LD and CL attain no 3 and 4. This is easier than the first strategy.

    But I think the first strategy makes more sense.

    LCW and Viktor on the other hand will do everything in their power to drive a wedge between LD and CL.

    Let the party begins!
     
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    http://www.bwfbadminton.org/news_item.aspx?id=64818

    Looking at 2012 Olympics draw, it looks like the 2 best players from the same country automatically gets in different halves of the draw. I cannot find any example pointing in another direction by looking at those draws.
     
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    That is what I was thinking too based on OLY12. But pdl researched and confirmed that OLY16 is based on a pool type playoff and except for #1 and #2 seed, everybody else was drawn, that means CL and LD could end up in same half at the knockout stage. Only CL and LCW will be split and can only meet in the final if both advance. I think this MS setup is quite similar to the WD at OLY12. Someone can correct me if I err. Also, that is why it is difficult to do a poll on who we think will win MS at OLY now until we see the draw. If CL and LD end up in the same half, then LCW chances of winning it all greatly improves.
     
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    http://system.bwf.website/documents...ions for Badminton Competition - Rio 2016.pdf
    Look at 3.3.4.2 on how the seeds are drawn into groups.
    And 3.4.2 on how group winners are placed in the knockout round.
    Essentially, the draw for the group determines your position in the knockout round (though you must first top your group). And the language for group draw is pretty clear.

    Edit: The above only applies to singles.
    In doubles, there will be 2 draws.
     
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    I have been questioning this on many postings i.e. CL/LD will be split regardless of seeding, until pdl and you clarified the draw.
    If CL and LD do end up in the same KO half, I don't think there will be any fixing as both will go all out to win as one player is IMO the current best and the other out to make history, and no way either will give a free pass. And that will only benefit LCW if Lee gets into the final.
     
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    Of course LYB has until 21 July to have CL and LD ranked either (1 and 2) or (3 and 4). In both cases, the two players will be guaranteed to be in different halves!!

    Obviously, a lot of people will try to stop LYB from doing the same: LCW, Viktor, JOJ, CTC, etc....

    Fortunately for China, they still have Tian HW there to help things out.

    If I were Chen Long, I would say this to LYB now: "If you select WSX over WYH for the Olympics, I will comply with all your orders, however unreasonable it may be, from now until the end of Rio."

    This is the drama we have all been waiting for... It's four years in the making!!!!

    Love, money, fame, duty, honour, loyalty, friendships!!
     
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    no check again. LD and Chen Jin are in the same half
     
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    LD and CL are in different halves and then CHN had sent 3 players to MS and the draw does not have 3 halves so it is impossible to not have it like that.
     
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    ah i see, thanks, my bad
     
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    updated with Thomas/Uber results

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    this is the table before this week's INA open

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    with CL, LD and VA already out of it, it's not possible for the 2 danish players to get into the top 2 before the seeding deadline, i.e. it will be a 50% chance that LD and CL to be drawn into the same or opposite half of the draw.
     
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    interestingly, only VA had a chance to be in the top 2 if he do well in this week's INA Open and next week's AUS open, and he been taken out in the first round by another Chinese player Huang Yuxiang.

    there go the conspiracy theory.
     
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