NS 8000 vs MP100 vs Ti-10
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tonny said:
I've all these rackets. Imo, NS8000 is a very different racket from Ti-10 and MP100. Ti-10, MP100, Armotec 700, ... these are ultimate offensive rackets designed for hard hitter, they stiff and head heavy. In contrast, the beauty of NS8000 is its manuverability and excellent control, as I posted earlier, it is more a racket somewhat similar to Ti Swing Power SR or 900 SR.
Hope this help.
Ricky
Can you post more detailed comparison when you have time? I own a Ti-10 and really love it. However, Nanospeed 8000 seems to share some characteristics with Ti-10 thus I am contenplating to either get another Ti-10 or Nanospeed 8000 when the price drops down. I am going back to Taiwan this summer and I will be in the middle of the release of Nanospeed 8000. Anymore info will be helpful. Thanks a lot!
Can you post more detailed comparison when you have time? I own a Ti-10 and really love it. However, Nanospeed 8000 seems to share some characteristics with Ti-10 thus I am contenplating to either get another Ti-10 or Nanospeed 8000 when the price drops down. I am going back to Taiwan this summer and I will be in the middle of the release of Nanospeed 8000. Anymore info will be helpful. Thanks a lot!
I don't know how you got the impression that NS8000 is similar to Ti-10 ... imo, the only similarity is probably both of them have slim frame design.
Ti-10 (as well as MP100, Armotec 700) are offensive rackets which are very head heavy and stiff. In fact, the balance of these rackets is not even towards the racket head, but the tip. As a result, these rackets can produce very powerful smash (of course, you must have strong arm/wrist and good technique). However, they are relatively slower in defense such as returning net attack, return smash, etc. They also require people with stronger arm/wrist to get use to.
In contrast, NS8000 is a head light balance racket. Yes, head light, not even even balance (MP90 is even balance). It is not stiff but not very soft too. I'm not sure whether it is because it is made of special carbon, it gives very solid feel. As a result, it gives excellent control when you play net shots, overhead shots, trickly shots, ... The advantage is apparent. However, it just can't produce smashes with the same punch from offensive style rackets, can't even match MP90 or AT800 DF/OF, but it can be adequate in most cases, especially if your style is not hard hitter, but a more tactical player - NS8000 allows you to control your shot very precisely and you will have very good speed with this racket.
Comparing with NS7000, which imo, is a very weak in terms of generating power, NS8000 is much more usable. As I said above, it has head light balance - I've just compared it with my ISO900SR CP, I would say it may be even more head light. With this head light balance, its power level is satisfactory, but just far from what you can get from Ti-10 type racket.
Well, I'm not saying NS8000 is not good and not worth a try. In fact, many people used to think they are offensive players, however, once they have tried less head heavy racket, they may find that they can actually play better with a defensive type racket. Using NS8000 is a very different experience from using Ti-10, but it may not necessarily bad, just depends on your play style.
For me, if I'm in good form, MP90 is still the best overall racket for me. It has the best balance imo in terms of power, control and manuverability.
Ti-10 (as well as MP100, Armotec 700) are offensive rackets which are very head heavy and stiff. In fact, the balance of these rackets is not even towards the racket head, but the tip. As a result, these rackets can produce very powerful smash (of course, you must have strong arm/wrist and good technique). However, they are relatively slower in defense such as returning net attack, return smash, etc. They also require people with stronger arm/wrist to get use to.
In contrast, NS8000 is a head light balance racket. Yes, head light, not even even balance (MP90 is even balance). It is not stiff but not very soft too. I'm not sure whether it is because it is made of special carbon, it gives very solid feel. As a result, it gives excellent control when you play net shots, overhead shots, trickly shots, ... The advantage is apparent. However, it just can't produce smashes with the same punch from offensive style rackets, can't even match MP90 or AT800 DF/OF, but it can be adequate in most cases, especially if your style is not hard hitter, but a more tactical player - NS8000 allows you to control your shot very precisely and you will have very good speed with this racket.
Comparing with NS7000, which imo, is a very weak in terms of generating power, NS8000 is much more usable. As I said above, it has head light balance - I've just compared it with my ISO900SR CP, I would say it may be even more head light. With this head light balance, its power level is satisfactory, but just far from what you can get from Ti-10 type racket.
Well, I'm not saying NS8000 is not good and not worth a try. In fact, many people used to think they are offensive players, however, once they have tried less head heavy racket, they may find that they can actually play better with a defensive type racket. Using NS8000 is a very different experience from using Ti-10, but it may not necessarily bad, just depends on your play style.
For me, if I'm in good form, MP90 is still the best overall racket for me. It has the best balance imo in terms of power, control and manuverability.
virusvoodoo
Regular Member
Ricky said:
Why do you people say the MP100s are head-heavy? They are even balanced like the MP99s.
virusvoodoo said:
It depends on how you classify even balance. Imo, the balance point of MP100 is somewhat b/w Ti-10/AT700 and MP90. It definitely feels more head heavy than MP90 (I used to have two MP100 and one was broken, and I've purchased 7-8 MP9x so far and 3-4 of them were broken).
TheGr8Two said:
I didn't use Ti-7 so I can't compare with it, but my coach said that it has some similarity with Slim 10 (I can't comment on this).
I think you are talking about this graph :
However, you should check the product description at http://www.yonex.co.jp/badminton/products/ns8000/index.html. The paragraph below the balance point diagram clearly states that the racket is using a top light design with near even balance. It is definitely a very different racket from Ti-10 or MP100. However, you may position the racket as offensive because the racket head is very light so you can attack much quickier.
before we go any further, i feel need to post up the new racket comparison chart. i dont understand how can a head light racket (NS8000) be the 2nd most offensive racket, while almost all the rackets immediately above and below it are extremely head heavy rackets? 
keep discussing
btw kwun/mods, the attachments isn't working for me.. when i press "upload" it goes to a page display error page :crying:
keep discussing
btw kwun/mods, the attachments isn't working for me.. when i press "upload" it goes to a page display error page :crying:
This is an old graph from year 2001:Dave18 said:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=88606&postcount=5
i dont have an old yonex chart.. but the big compilation of the chart at bbesports will have to suffice. i dont know how accurate this is though, as some people said this is different from the yonex charts (eg. lower Ti series is ON the y axis instead of leaning towards doubles) i'll post both the yonex one and the bbesports one so you know what i meanDave18 said:
hope it doesn't kill my hosting, as uploading pics isn't working :crying:
edit: since BJ already beat me to it, i took off the pics so i wont dissapoint people who read this post when i delete the pics later
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dranmo said:
Trust me guys. NS8000 is definitely head light ! I also can't understand why it can be classified as the 2nd most offensive racket. However, please note that the Japanese product description clearly states that it is a head light racket with near even balance.
I didn't use ISO800 extensively before. However, based on my experience, they are very different as well. ISO800 is a relatively head heavy (not the same league as Ti-10 of course) racket designed for offensive double player. It also didn't use slim frame design, the length of the racket is also shorter ... they are just two completely different racket.
As I said before, based on my experience, the closest one is probably the Swing Power family (SA/SR).
rjcorcuera
Regular Member
I have to concur on the points that Ricky has raised so far. I have to date 4 rackets: 800OF, 800DE, NS7000 and the NS8000. Why the NS8000 is the 2nd most offensive I am also some what confused. I still feel the head heavy 800OF packs the most punch out of my 4 racquets. That being said the NS8000 still does quite well as an offensive racquet and being head light is quite maneuverable making it good for net play.Ricky said:
