Isn't CJ the amendment here? Due to being qualified by being top 4.. I don't see how the first rnaked wr#2 could be the "amendment"??? I assume if CJ was not qualified that LD and CL would be on different halves?
It depends whether the draw 'by lot' (LD and CLong) supersedes Rank no 2 (LD) being bottom half of draw. And also depends what the "amended by seeding" means They can do : 1) Draw lots for LD & CLong, both end up oppsite sides of the draw OR 2) Draw lots for CL and CJ, both opposite sides of the draw, if this is what the amended seeding means
I think Lin Dan amends things because the rules state Rank 1 and 2 from an NOC is drawn by lot. I think for definite this can't be, because that would mean LD could be in the same half as LCW. So I think LD's Olympic seed over rides this rule and is discounted as all being well seed 1 LCW and seed 2 LD should be meeting in final not semi's. So i think the new ranking order for china NOC is implicitly established (rule 4.1.3). The new ranking that is implicitly established for NOC(China) given LD seed discounts him is CL ranked 1 CJ ranked 2. It is stated that they are to be drawn by lot into opposite sides and there olympic seed taking care of what group they will be in after their lot has been drawn. You may be correct though that chen jin is the amendment. If so section 4 of the rules is a joke! because it would mean in effect all the China players would just be placed in the draw and none of them drawn by lot as stated.
Confirmation on which half of the MS Draw CJ & CL will end up in.. just received this confirmation on which half of the MS Draw CJ & CL will end up in (from a very reliable source) : "At the current seeding, CL will be the same half with LCW and LD same half with CJ" **LYB the planner did it again.. As for rule 4.1.3, which seems to be making these portion of rules unclear, explanation to follow.
When's the draw published? We'll all know then Worrying our little heads about it won't change anything.
When the rules are unclear, it means CL can be arranged to be in LCW s half. But what s the anxiety for? LCW is not even expected to medal. However, he still stands as the greatest WR1.
More interested to find out how they arrived at that with reference to the rules rather than final draw placement. Look forward to explanation. cheers
..(a bit of hint : the initials of the person is PR~that'll be your puzzle to solve for today...should be an easy one)
I think they would be drawn by lot according to sect.4, IF they where UNSEEDED (sect. 3 has to be followed as well, not only sect.4)
I understand what you are saying but if three qualify from1 NOC then they will always be seeded. Forgetting all else the spirit of the draw is that one half of the draw contains seed 1 & 3 or seed 1 & 4 but to be decided by lot not placed. The only time that i can see this would be justifiable to change would be if say china only had 2 players say seed 2 & 4. The spirit of the draw is to not load one half of the draw with one NOC. so 2 would stay at bottom and 4 in top half. But to place them when there is going to be 2 NOC players in one side of the draw regardless does not seem to be inkeeping with the spirit. But it seems this is what they are doing.
If 4.1.3 is not there, it's most definitely LCW v CL, CJ v LD. But 4.1.3 is there, and I have no idea why it is and what situation it is for. BWF could have worded it better. Anyway, since there is already a confirmation from a reliable source, so be it.
Really? 4.1.3 is there because the rules contradict each other and without it, the draw rules would make no sense. Problem is 4.1.3 ain't transparent enough. Would be great to find out the secret behind this draw and that it is all above board, that is all.
There's still rule no 3, which will 'clash' with 4.1.1 and 4.1.2 : 3.3.3. Draw Singles: 3.3.3.1. The seeded players shall be placed at top of each group as follows: a) No. 1 placed at the top of Group A b) No. 2 placed at the top of Group P c) No. 3 and 4 drawn by lot at the top of Groups E and L. So, it depends if rule 3 over ride rule 4. Rule 3 states 2nd seed must be in bottom half, rule 4.1.1,4.12 draw lot between LD & CL. Then CJ and PG draw lot 4.1.3 suggests it goes back to rule 3, lol
Rules that won't be adhered to due to the mystery of 4.1.3 3.3.3.1c) No. 3 and 4 drawn by lot at the top of Groups E and L. 4.1. Entries from any one NOC shall be drawn as follows 4.1.1. the first and second ranked entries by lot in opposite halves of the draw 4.1.2. the third ranked entry by lot in one of the two remaining quarters / groups
The rules meant to say this: 1. The top two outright are separated in different halves (that's LCW and LD) 2. But the top two in an NOC is also separated in different halves (that's LD and CL, Taufik and Simon). 3. The rest, is up to the crystal ball.
