wierd... way too premature to predict a 373 ranked junior player Lim Chong King as replacement of LCW. We haven't seen this guy, this guy has never won anything.
Lee Chong Wei ( 李宗伟 )
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wierd... way too premature to predict a 373 ranked junior player Lim Chong King as replacement of LCW. We haven't seen this guy, this guy has never won anything.
shooting stroke
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No doubt that Datuk Misbun has all the experience and knowledge to do what it takes in grooming our juniors to become somebody in the near future. This can't be argued as Datuk LCW is one from many of his products.
The main challenge and obstacle here actually are about the players themselves. As far as skills and talent is concerned, Hafiz Hashim is the most naturally gifted amoung them all, As far as physicality in concerned, non can outwit Foo Kok Keong. But having those above attributes still won't guarantee to produce another Lee Chong Wei out of them. Still remembered having a chat with my former mentor, Mr Abdul Rahman in UITM, Shah Alam , one of the Msia Thomas cupper player in the 1972 squad during the late Datuk Punch Gunalan time and he said, you need to groom at least 100,000 junior player to find any hope to produce a player with the Datuk LCW "character"...not skill, strength etc...but character. It's the upmost highest standard of character profile that Datuk LCW possess that has made him into a player that we know now and this qualities are lack inside BAM MS camp. Why this scenario happens bcoz none of them has that similar Datuk LCW trait of dedication, commitments, devotion and importantly mental attitudes and toughness ingrain when they're training. If they're any, we would have Datuk LCW contender already in our MS squad but even when Datuk has retired, hardly none is equivalent to him. Datuk Misbun is an extremely tough mentor but even he can't do much if one doesn't has what it takes to develop himself into greater length.
BAM should contsruct a more comprehensive training module than what they have now to further cover in even greater depth the importance of developing World class character into their juniors if by any chances they want to again produce a World class player like Datuk LCW. None can replace Datuk LCW in his complete package. Not in a million years. Datuk LCW is already in a league of his own and can't be surpass. So finding his replacement is just a bed time story. "Replacement" IMHO is not the correct term but maybe finding and filling that empty spot left by Datuk with player/players that has the character and quality in hoping to produce consistence world class results may be the correct way to say it.
We all miss Datuk very much. We all can feel that void for knowing he is not in the circuit with us anymore. The memories and legacy he left after watching him playing for nearly 2 decades is just irreplaceable. It's very sad and unfortunate to know the fact that he retired for things that is beyond his will and control. There are few sportsmen out there in other sports that IMHO should retired earlier for the bad image and character they brought into the sport and they by right deserved to retire early.... not Datuk. But past is past and life without our beloved Datuk in the BWF calendar must go on.
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U ve nailed it perfectly. Hafiz is the most talented and it's the character. Though he is still not as strong as LD's character who continues to have a hold and aura over him. Daren Liew is another example of talents with skill not mentality. It is exactly what Carolina Marin had also, the mentality that made her despite having no tradition and little support.
extremenanopowe
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If only LCW can document all the stuffs he did to be a champion, that would be great. This is his secret, doubt he will publish it. Not saying that everyone can follow page by page tho. Of course it is always a WIP book even though if it is ever published. Used as a benchmark for the junior to match to achieve greatness. LCW is still a young father, lots of time to come out with a classic book. He can also document the before, during and after each of the tournament he played. How he won it and why he lost. 
Repetitions of How, When, Why, What, Who, Where, .... etc... answer them repeatedly until it reach a level of consistency and then publish it.
Repetitions of How, When, Why, What, Who, Where, .... etc... answer them repeatedly until it reach a level of consistency and then publish it.
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j4ckie
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Step 1: be genetically gifted.If only LCW can document all the stuffs he did to be a champion, that would be great. This is his secret, doubt he will publish it. Not saying that everyone can follow page by page tho. Of course it is always a WIP book even though if it is ever published. Used as a benchmark for the junior to match to achieve greatness. LCW is still a young father, lots of time to come out with a classic book. He can also document the before, during and after each of the tournament he played. How he won it and why he lost.
Repetitions of How, When, Why, What, Who, Where, .... etc... answer them repeatedly until it reach a level of consistency and then publish it.
Step 2: train hard.
Step 3: have a bit of luck to not be overseen, and have decent coaches.
Step 4: someone will assume you have a secret.
Loh
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Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
Men's Singles
Quarterfinals
Lee Chong Wei (MAS) 21 21
Chou Tien-chen (TPE) 9 15
Lin Dan (CHN) 21 11 21
Srikanth Kidambi (IND) 6 21 18
Viktor Axelsen (DEN) 21 21
Rajiv Ouseph (GBR) 12 16
Chen Long (CHN) 21 18 21
Son Wan-ho (KOR)11 21 11
Semifinals
Lee Chong Wei (MAS) 15 21 22
Lin Dan (CHN) 21 11 20
Viktor Axelsen (DEN) 14 15
Chen Long (CHN) 21 21
Bronze medal match
Viktor Axelsen (DEN) 15 21 21
Lin Dan (CHN) 21 10 17
Finals
Chen Long (CHN) 21 21
Lee Chong Wei (MAS) 18 18
It would have been a crowning glory for LCW had he beaten CL at the Rio Olympics almost 3 years ago.
During the Semifinals, he took his revenge on LD, the so-called GOAT, who denied him two Olympic gold medals on two subsequent occasions. LD was gunning for his elusive record third Olympic gold.
Unfortunately LCW fell at the last hurdle to CL.
LD, however, was to suffer his most humiliating defeat at the hands of the up-and-coming VA when he could not even grab the bronze medal.
Best wishes to LCW in his future endeavours.
Men's Singles
Quarterfinals
Semifinals
Bronze medal match
Finals
It would have been a crowning glory for LCW had he beaten CL at the Rio Olympics almost 3 years ago.
During the Semifinals, he took his revenge on LD, the so-called GOAT, who denied him two Olympic gold medals on two subsequent occasions. LD was gunning for his elusive record third Olympic gold.
Unfortunately LCW fell at the last hurdle to CL.
LD, however, was to suffer his most humiliating defeat at the hands of the up-and-coming VA when he could not even grab the bronze medal.
Best wishes to LCW in his future endeavours.
yuquall
Regular Member
If LCW had beaten CL he would have won Gold, If LD had beaten LCW and CL, LD would have won a gold too.Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
Men's Singles
Quarterfinals
Lee Chong Wei (MAS) 21 21
Chou Tien-chen (TPE) 9 15
Lin Dan (CHN) 21 11 21
Srikanth Kidambi (IND) 6 21 18
Viktor Axelsen (DEN) 21 21
Rajiv Ouseph (GBR) 12 16
Chen Long (CHN) 21 18 21
Son Wan-ho (KOR)11 21 11
Semifinals
Lee Chong Wei (MAS) 15 21 22
Lin Dan (CHN) 21 11 20
Viktor Axelsen (DEN) 14 15
Chen Long (CHN) 21 21
Bronze medal match
Viktor Axelsen (DEN) 15 21 21
Lin Dan (CHN) 21 10 17
Finals
Chen Long (CHN) 21 21
Lee Chong Wei (MAS) 18 18
It would have been a crowning glory for LCW had he beaten CL at the Rio Olympics almost 3 years ago.
During the Semifinals, he took his revenge on LD, the so-called GOAT, who denied him two Olympic gold medals on two subsequent occasions. LD was gunning for his elusive record third Olympic gold.
Unfortunately LCW fell at the last hurdle to CL.
LD, however, was to suffer his most humiliating defeat at the hands of the up-and-coming VA when he could not even grab the bronze medal.
Best wishes to LCW in his future endeavours.
Most humiliating defeat for LD? Was it really so and was that post really necessary?
If you have had bagged 2 consecutive golds in your hands and almost won another chance of gold, what's ONE bronze medal
Loh
Regular Member
Most humiliating defeat for LD? Was it really and was that post really necessary?
If you have had bagged 2 consecutive golds in your hands and almost won another chance of gold, what's ONE bronze medal
Another chance of gold?
Only if he had beaten LCW at the semis.
Was the post really necessary?
Sorry, but you don't decide for me.
j4ckie
Regular Member
....are you using Internet Explorer...?Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
Men's Singles
Quarterfinals
Lee Chong Wei (MAS) 21 21
Chou Tien-chen (TPE) 9 15
Lin Dan (CHN) 21 11 21
Srikanth Kidambi (IND) 6 21 18
Viktor Axelsen (DEN) 21 21
Rajiv Ouseph (GBR) 12 16
Chen Long (CHN) 21 18 21
Son Wan-ho (KOR)11 21 11
Semifinals
Lee Chong Wei (MAS) 15 21 22
Lin Dan (CHN) 21 11 20
Viktor Axelsen (DEN) 14 15
Chen Long (CHN) 21 21
Bronze medal match
Viktor Axelsen (DEN) 15 21 21
Lin Dan (CHN) 21 10 17
Finals
Chen Long (CHN) 21 21
Lee Chong Wei (MAS) 18 18
It would have been a crowning glory for LCW had he beaten CL at the Rio Olympics almost 3 years ago.
During the Semifinals, he took his revenge on LD, the so-called GOAT, who denied him two Olympic gold medals on two subsequent occasions. LD was gunning for his elusive record third Olympic gold.
Unfortunately LCW fell at the last hurdle to CL.
LD, however, was to suffer his most humiliating defeat at the hands of the up-and-coming VA when he could not even grab the bronze medal.
Best wishes to LCW in his future endeavours.
Loh
Regular Member
yuquall
Regular Member
Yes, and LCW would only have won the gold if he had beaten CL or LD blablabla. All ifs and ifs.Another chance of gold?
Only if he had beaten LCW at the semis.
Was the post really necessary?
Sorry, but you don't decide for me.
Why should I decide for you? Your animosity toward LD was too obvious to ignore.
Cunning Linguist
Regular Member
There's way too much emphasis on these tournaments with nation quotas (=easy early rounds guaranteed) anyway, especially the Olympics. Nevertheless, if you look at LD's winning percentages, tournament wins and h2h's, he's clearly had the best career in badminton and I don't see how that's even debatable.
He's no Federer though. Or many of the other greats across all sports who represented excellence up to a high age.
Yes, and LCW would only have won the gold if he had beaten CL or LD blablabla. All ifs and ifs.
Why should I decide for you? Your animosity toward LD was too obvious to ignore.
He's been suffering from a kind of LD syndrome for quite a while (just check his records here), incurable, it seems - that's why he must come here to get his 'medicine' once in a blue moon or he can't function properly. Poor fellow.
He also reminds me of the modern Flat-Earthers, if you know what I mean.
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Loh
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Sure hurts for LD fans. Sorry.
In terms of the number of Olympic medals won by badminton players, LD is not number one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_badminton
Gao Ling is the all-time leader for the most Olympic medals in badminton, with two gold, one silver, and one bronze;
Kim Dong-moon (two gold, one bronze) and
Gil Young-ah (one of each) are second for the most medals in badminton, each with three. Gao, Kim, and Zhang Jun are the all-time leaders for the most gold medal wins, with two. (Of course this also includes Lin Dan now.)
Is LD the Greatest Of All Time (GOAT)?
I would say he is ONE of the greatest. He may be the greatest during his time, but there were great players too during their time. However comparison is difficult and not as meaningful because great players in the past played under different conditions. We must also not forget that future stars may emerge with better records.
By the way, I would consider LCW as one of the GOATs.
But if you include sportsmanship as one of the criteria, then you have to consider the following remarks on LD:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Dan
2008
Lin started the season with a defeat in the final of the Korea Open to Lee Hyun-il. It was a match filled with controversy as Lin had a scuffle with South Korea's coach Li Mao after a line call dispute. Lin refused to apologize and received no punishment from Badminton World Federation (BWF) after its probe of the altercation. In March he suffered another defeat to his compatriot Chen Jin in the final of the All England Open, which was followed by press accusations that Lin "gave" the match to Chen in order to increase Chen's ranking points for Olympic qualification. In the following week, Lin won his first Swiss Open. At the Asia Championships, Lin was again accused of helping his compatriot when his loss to Chen Jin in the semifinals ensured Chen's qualification for the Olympic Games
On April 10, 2008, Lin was involved in yet another controversy when he struck coach Ji Xinpeng in front of his teammates and the media during the warm-up tournament ahead of the Thomas Cup. The incident was allegedly triggered by him being unhappy with Ji's arrangement of the starting line-up for the tournament.
2011
Lin began the year with a withdrawal in the Malaysia Open's quarterfinals, which marked his third withdrawal in a row since late 2010. This action caused criticism mostly by Taufik Hidayat, who wanted the Badminton World Federation (BWF) to investigate.[
In terms of the number of Olympic medals won by badminton players, LD is not number one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_badminton
Gao Ling is the all-time leader for the most Olympic medals in badminton, with two gold, one silver, and one bronze;
Kim Dong-moon (two gold, one bronze) and
Gil Young-ah (one of each) are second for the most medals in badminton, each with three. Gao, Kim, and Zhang Jun are the all-time leaders for the most gold medal wins, with two. (Of course this also includes Lin Dan now.)
Is LD the Greatest Of All Time (GOAT)?
I would say he is ONE of the greatest. He may be the greatest during his time, but there were great players too during their time. However comparison is difficult and not as meaningful because great players in the past played under different conditions. We must also not forget that future stars may emerge with better records.
By the way, I would consider LCW as one of the GOATs.
But if you include sportsmanship as one of the criteria, then you have to consider the following remarks on LD:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Dan
2008
Lin started the season with a defeat in the final of the Korea Open to Lee Hyun-il. It was a match filled with controversy as Lin had a scuffle with South Korea's coach Li Mao after a line call dispute. Lin refused to apologize and received no punishment from Badminton World Federation (BWF) after its probe of the altercation. In March he suffered another defeat to his compatriot Chen Jin in the final of the All England Open, which was followed by press accusations that Lin "gave" the match to Chen in order to increase Chen's ranking points for Olympic qualification. In the following week, Lin won his first Swiss Open. At the Asia Championships, Lin was again accused of helping his compatriot when his loss to Chen Jin in the semifinals ensured Chen's qualification for the Olympic Games
On April 10, 2008, Lin was involved in yet another controversy when he struck coach Ji Xinpeng in front of his teammates and the media during the warm-up tournament ahead of the Thomas Cup. The incident was allegedly triggered by him being unhappy with Ji's arrangement of the starting line-up for the tournament.
2011
Lin began the year with a withdrawal in the Malaysia Open's quarterfinals, which marked his third withdrawal in a row since late 2010. This action caused criticism mostly by Taufik Hidayat, who wanted the Badminton World Federation (BWF) to investigate.[
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Loh
Regular Member
Sorry you are mistaken. I don't lecture, I'm just quoting.
I'm just an ordinary badminton fan who prefers to see players setting a good example.
shooting stroke
Regular Member
Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
Men's Singles
Quarterfinals
Lee Chong Wei (MAS) 21 21
Chou Tien-chen (TPE) 9 15
Lin Dan (CHN) 21 11 21
Srikanth Kidambi (IND) 6 21 18
Viktor Axelsen (DEN) 21 21
Rajiv Ouseph (GBR) 12 16
Chen Long (CHN) 21 18 21
Son Wan-ho (KOR)11 21 11
Semifinals
Lee Chong Wei (MAS) 15 21 22
Lin Dan (CHN) 21 11 20
Viktor Axelsen (DEN) 14 15
Chen Long (CHN) 21 21
Bronze medal match
Viktor Axelsen (DEN) 15 21 21
Lin Dan (CHN) 21 10 17
Finals
Chen Long (CHN) 21 21
Lee Chong Wei (MAS) 18 18
It would have been a crowning glory for LCW had he beaten CL at the Rio Olympics almost 3 years ago.
During the Semifinals, he took his revenge on LD, the so-called GOAT, who denied him two Olympic gold medals on two subsequent occasions. LD was gunning for his elusive record third Olympic gold.
Unfortunately LCW fell at the last hurdle to CL.
LD, however, was to suffer his most humiliating defeat at the hands of the up-and-coming VA when he could not even grab the bronze medal.
Best wishes to LCW in his future endeavours.
I remembered that i fell from my sofa twice during this event... first one fell down because over celebrating after Datuk won in the semi ( doesn't hurt and not even a single scratch happened)...... 2nd time fell down in frustration after Datuk lost in the final.........damn that hurts.
yuquall
Regular Member
Nah, coming from a so-called ordinary badminton fan, it didn't seem to be just quotes.
Ordinary non-biased badminton fan wouldn't downgrade any players status (which has been accepted by MOST badminton fans in the world actually) just because he does NOT prefer them due to personal preferences.