Lee Chong Wei ( 李宗伟 )

In case you didn't know, wef 1 Jan 2015, the minimum ban for doping is raised to four years http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/30648392

Note the following:

The punishment for missing three tests within a 12-month period has been increased from 18 months to two years.

While deliberate cheating leads to a four-year ban, athletes guilty of "inadvertent doping" will receive a two-year ban - although they can get a reduction if they have "substantial proof that they were not at fault or intending to cheat".
 
Justin L said:
Just days after handing BAM and Lee CW a 'big gift' and you expect BWF to top it off with icing on the cake by offering Lee a wild card? What do you take BWF for, Santa Claus?

Lets face it. About the 2014 wild card that wasn't given to Lin Dan - first, Lin Dan is more than LCW, if LD doesn't deserve it who else does; second, Lin Dan was the reigning and defending World Champion, personally, this reason alone is enough; third, his ranking fell because he took a break as every player is allowed to, they have a life to lead outside badminton, it's their entitlement, their right, and taking a break is so that they could travel further, eg Lee HI retired and came back three times, and we know of other players who take breaks (in the past, Taufik took some time off after the Athens Olympics) ; most importantly, it has nothing to do with any BWF violation.

Interesting isn't it, LCW's objections to Lin Dan's wild card as quoted by kwun? What goes around, comes around? Some of his words would come back to haunt him, I suppose.
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Please be objective in your stupid analysis . There was no gift and the committee was independent jurist .
 
Lcw's objection to Lin Dan is appropriate , Lin dan doesn't support BWF superseries, whereas lcw on the other hand , plays every super series. Of coz , he will feel unfair . Put yourself into his shoe and see ?
 
sh_shashi1 said:
Please be objective in your stupid analysis . There was no gift and the committee was independent jurist .
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Open your eyes, did you not see my use of the inverted commas?

Besides, the unknown herbalist (proprietor) who prepared the contaminated capsules of cordyceps refused to give his statement or in writing or testify in person (in camera or otherwise) for fear of repercussions - he simply said to a certain Mr Song, the lawyer assisting Mike Morgan, that there was a possibility of contamination risks , in this case by dexamethasone, and we've to ask why only dexamethasone and not any other contaminants as well as the level of contamination.

What about the cordyceps not being from the NSI (National Sport Institute of Malaysia) approved source(s), and the single comforting statement from LCW's nutritionist that "the Cordyseps capsules were safe and that it was not necessary to test the product as long as it was "pure Cordyseps"? And the back-dated eight-month sentence handed out that effectively freed LCW on the spot which allowed him to compete at the Sudirman Cup and the WC? Anyway, all this is water under the bridge.
 
insaint84 said:
Forgot to mention , Lin Dan could have earn his place by participating in BWF super series , but he dint bother .
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LCW could have earn his place by participating in BWF super series , but he couldn't. blame those stupid anti-doping rules.
 
AlanY said:
here are some quote from the World No. 1,000,001 (unoffical);
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Well, AlanY, you maybe humbly ranked 1mn-and-1th (unofficially) in badminton, but I have to hand it to you for your sophisticated,nuanced humour for which you are in the top 3.:p:D
 
You know, I couldn't help but think that had BWF been a bit more generous and sensible enough to award Lin Dan a second wild card last year, their hands wouldn't be so tight this year as not to offer one to LCW. That's why it's so important to set the right precedent, see the big picture.
 
bmiph said:
I presume you stay and work in a pharmacy in Canada. My wife is a Pharmacist in M'sia and due to my work, I travel to other countries frequently. What you say is true in western world/advance countries. I presume you have no work experience in M'sia retail Rx and none in the Chinese traditional medicine shop. Based on what I can see here in my country, this is very highly probable, fortunately or otherwise. It's just the way things are here.
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Being Chinese-Canadian, I've also had some experience in pharmacies and traditional chinese medicines shops in Hong Kong. It's not malaysia, but it's not like i'm completely blind to poor work practices. Dexamethasone is not a naturally occuring substance, it's something that must be synthesized, and the distributed. No matter how you spin it, the likelihood of some controlled substance, different working practicec in different countries or not, is unlikely. Dexamethasone still come in their own bottles, unless you're telling me that a Chinese herbal shops in Malaysia just grinds up some dexamethasone tablets and just blow it through the air, contamination really shouldn't be an issue. I'm not being rhetorical, I genuinely can't think of a way for dexamethasone to accidentally contaminate LCW's herbal capsules. The only situation is that he put both in the same container, which means that it has nothing to do with pharmacy practice and just personal cleanliness.

sh_shashi1 said:
Many people arguing about right or wrong or possible situations hailing from developed nations have no idea how thing works in third world countries .
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You may say I have no understanding of less economically developed countries, and you'd be right. Unlike street food, controlled substances all have packaging requirements for the sake of the medication. It's in no manufacturer's benefit to make dexamethasone and just sell it paper bags.
Drug manufacturing is designed to hit as many markets as possible, regardless of where they're manufactured. Therefore: drugs are almost always contained to at least bottles or blisters, to stop them from deteriorating = lower chance of contamination.

Another point, Usain Bolt is a multi-millionaire, celebrity, world elite athlete. You can argue he comes from a fairly poor country, (for reference: Canada GDP/PC:51000 USD, Jamaica GDP/PC:5,200 USD) and Jamaican pharmacies probably don't conform to the same standards. Do you genuinely believe him being a multi-millionaire with a training staff, health staff, technical staff all to support him are going to allow him to go to random pharmacies with dexamethasone blowing through the air? The answer is a simple no. You don't have to know Usain Bolt personally, or know Jamaica's pharmacy practice to conclude that Usain Bolt isn't going to random pharmacies.
By extension, same goes for LCW.
 
0ozafo0 said:
Being Chinese-Canadian, I've also had some experience in pharmacies and traditional chinese medicines shops in Hong Kong. It's not malaysia, but it's not like i'm completely blind to poor work practices. Dexamethasone is not a naturally occuring substance, it's something that must be synthesized, and the distributed. No matter how you spin it, the likelihood of some controlled substance, different working practicec in different countries or not, is unlikely. Dexamethasone still come in their own bottles, unless you're telling me that a Chinese herbal shops in Malaysia just grinds up some dexamethasone tablets and just blow it through the air, contamination really shouldn't be an issue. I'm not being rhetorical, I genuinely can't think of a way for dexamethasone to accidentally contaminate LCW's herbal capsules. The only situation is that he put both in the same container, which means that it has nothing to do with pharmacy practice and just personal cleanliness.



You may say I have no understanding of less economically developed countries, and you'd be right. Unlike street food, controlled substances all have packaging requirements for the sake of the medication. It's in no manufacturer's benefit to make dexamethasone and just sell it paper bags.
Drug manufacturing is designed to hit as many markets as possible, regardless of where they're manufactured. Therefore: drugs are almost always contained to at least bottles or blisters, to stop them from deteriorating = lower chance of contamination.

Another point, Usain Bolt is a multi-millionaire, celebrity, world elite athlete. You can argue he comes from a fairly poor country, (for reference: Canada GDP/PC:51000 USD, Jamaica GDP/PC:5,200 USD) and Jamaican pharmacies probably don't conform to the same standards. Do you genuinely believe him being a multi-millionaire with a training staff, health staff, technical staff all to support him are going to allow him to go to random pharmacies with dexamethasone blowing through the air? The answer is a simple no. You don't have to know Usain Bolt personally, or know Jamaica's pharmacy practice to conclude that Usain Bolt isn't going to random pharmacies.
By extension, same goes for LCW.
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Do you even read for the case of LCW . Or you are on a blinded mission of proving LCW a cheat which he is not established . He was taking that medicine from 2007 and if nothing happened in last 7 years why anybody would stop him in 2014 ? He has undergone 100+ dope test and came clear . Only a person with hidden agenda would suggest he cheated in those too .
 
What LCW said about LD's wild card and what LD thought about his wild card are not important, because it is only their personal opinion. I think we should only consider what is good for professional badminton and more specifically for the WC. I don't see why BWF have to be so picky about wild cards. Why not be liberal about it? What we want is the best players to compete, isn'it? Who can say LCW is not among them? The competition would be better with him. Anyway, let's hope he will go, as both other Malaysian players do not bring as much to the game.
 
sh_shashi1 said:
Do you even read for the case of LCW . Or you are on a blinded mission of proving LCW a cheat which he is not established . He was taking that medicine from 2007 and if nothing happened in last 7 years why anybody would stop him in 2014 ? He has undergone 100+ dope test and came clear . Only a person with hidden agenda would suggest he cheated in those too .
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At no point did I say he was a cheat. I personally don't think he cheated.
All I'm doing is establishing that the chances of dexamethasone just magically landing on his pill is minute.
He probably took it without knowing, but making up a scenario of a contaminated capsule, and having BWF committee gobble it up like a slice of cake irritates me.
I'm going to quote you on this one "He was taking that medicine from 2007 and if nothing happened in last 7 years why anybody would stop him in 2014 ?"
What changed in the last 7 years that contaminated the capsule?
The 'fairy capsule' report is a laugh to me, I don't even know how they made that poor excuse up. I would have been much more satisfied if they just reasoned that LCW mistakenly took Dexa during on season.
Most people don't even know what dexamethasone is, and it's completely reasonable that LCW didn't know what he was taking anyway. Heck, I study pharmacy and really I just know drug classes, I can't keep up with 20 derivatives of the same drug!
 
renbo said:
What LCW said about LD's wild card and what LD thought about his wild card are not important, because it is only their personal opinion. I think we should only consider what is good for professional badminton and more specifically for the WC. I don't see why BWF have to be so picky about wild cards. Why not be liberal about it? What we want is the best players to compete, isn'it? Who can say LCW is not among them? The competition would be better with him. Anyway, let's hope he will go, as both other Malaysian players do not bring as much to the game.
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Being liberal with the wild card can cause some serious backlash to BWF.
They give it to LCW after his drug ban, then it almost seems like they're okay in giving special privileges to a cheat. Not saying he is one, but the media can easily spin it against his favour.
They give it to LCW after deny LD last year, some may argue that's favoritism.
They abstain from giving LCW the wild card then it's up to BAM to make the decision of allowing LCW to go or not. BWF keeps their hands clean, and all up to BAM to do the dirty work.
Really it's the most ideal decision they can make for themselves. LCW isn't entitled to the wildcard and nor does the BWF owe any favours to BAM.

I really do hope LCW gets to go somehow, WC wasn't the same without LD, and it's not going to be the same without LCW.
Here's to hoping for the best for LCW after his whole mess of a situation.
 
renbo said:
We have to be consistent with ourself. I was for LD going to the WC 2 years ago and sad he did not get the card last year (and the WC was thus not so good for MS) and I will regret if LCW will not be there this year. There will not be so many more occasions to see him at WC.
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Yes, be consistent with yourself... though i regret the absence of LCW this WC as much as missing LD last year given your word that "there will not be so many chance to see both of them at WC"... that's why i want to see how consistent LCW will be when facing his own wildcard fate this time... did BAM have his prior consent to apply for the wild card?

nokh88 said:
I am not defending LCW but BWF is not consistent. They should give LCW a wild card and let LCW and gang accept or decline the wild card. Then BWF will be seen as a fair body.

And LCW should refuse the wild card, just to honour what he said about LD getting the wild card in 2013.
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Yes I want to see this too... do you think he should in the first place stop BWF to apply wild card for him if he really will refuse a wild card if given?

renbo said:
What LCW said about LD's wild card and what LD thought about his wild card are not important, because it is only their personal opinion. I think we should only consider what is good for professional badminton and more specifically for the WC. I don't see why BWF have to be so picky about wild cards. Why not be liberal about it? What we want is the best players to compete, isn'it? Who can say LCW is not among them? The competition would be better with him. Anyway, let's hope he will go, as both other Malaysian players do not bring as much to the game.
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believe me or not, ultimately one of them will be squeezed out (reluctant or not) to give way to LCW... and LCW will accept it disregarding how much hard work these 2 poor guys did to earn enough ranking for qualification to a WC...
Yet your last sentence is really amazing... in this sense, all players other than top 10 or 20 should not go to WC as I really really agree that these players do not bring as much to the game...
 
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