Kido-Setiawan's problem

[samuel882]

With the NSS, the main keys to win games is which pair making the less mistakes.. Especially on the serve, one lousy server or fault call could be the turning point of the match.
Although Indra did tell us all the facts, i highly doubt that it will be a permanent list.. Whoever play with less mistakes during their games, will surely in driven seats to win that match...

 

[samuel882]

i think MK/HS just need time just like KKK/TBH did before, did you guys remember how BAO defeat LCW in WC even he never defeat LCW in the previous matches.
abuthen.......i still support MAS players = =

Personally , i do not wish to see a player lost consecutively to another on many tournaments.. There is no fun at all

 

[Lennethe]

Personally , i do not wish to see a player lost consecutively to another on many tournaments.. There is no fun at all

yup, but you can't fully understand them, can you?
when your favorite player lost, you scold them
when your favorite player win, you worship them
when they won WC, did you happy with their achievement?

they probably will come back after they have settle down, i just wanna see a match like yesterday's final, it was so exciting.

 

[samuel882]

Yeah.. Maybe Markis' height is a problem..

Maybe not.. He often able to jumps higher than his partner Height does not seen as a big obstacle for him

 

[yannie]

Maybe not.. He often able to jumps higher than his partner Height does not seen as a big obstacle for him

Imagine if he's as tall as his partner, then he'll jump even taller.. *suicide*

 

[samuel882]

yup, but you can't fully understand them, can you?
when your favorite player lost, you scold them
when your favorite player win, you worship them
when they won WC, did you happy with their achievement?

they probably will come back after they have settle down, i just wanna see a match like yesterday's final, it was so exciting.

Are you directing to me
Its always fun to watch the Oldies play against the younger generations.. Fast & Furios vs Experince / Smart.
Yesterday's MD have it all - Pace/Mind games/Smart ---> a final to be remmembed. Although both did make some unforced errors, IMO, There will be no perfect games on any MD match in the current circuit

 

[Smichz]

i think MK/HS just can't win over KKK/TBH .... no
excuses huhu

No offense,but i dont think u get too excited with it,since KKK/TBH was formed by an Indonesian coach,and ur double players getting better since Rexy's there.So,stop the arrogancy while the indo still keep their mouth shuts.It's like talking craps about ur teacher when u're already better than him...U're so KKK..

 

[huangkwokhau]

No offense,but i dont think u get too excited with it,since KKK/TBH was formed by an Indonesian coach,and ur double players getting better since Rexy's there.So,stop the arrogancy while the indo still keep their mouth shuts.It's like talking craps about ur teacher when u're already better than him...U're so KKK..

Thank you !!!...............

 

[ctjcad]

Just my 10 cents..

(and i know ye333 must be smiling and enjoying all of these posts)..

it's all very relative.
some people find it harder to play against A than against B, just because their style of play perhaps accentuates your weaknesses. MK/HS are an amazing pair, their accomplishments this year speaks for itself. every player/pair/team has a bogey opponent, in any sport.

all they can do is go back 2 the training court work on new play think out strategyies

...losing 6 consecutive times to the same opponent def. says something about the matchup. IMO, both pairs have the speed & power to match up w/each other. But either one of the pair is lacking mental confidence or, overall, perhaps just lacks the mental focus when playing their counterparts. While the other pair is able to read their counterparts' game quite easily and play w/a bit more confidence.
I concur that there's no other way but to go back and train & train some more.

i think MK/HS just cant focus during the game

MK/HS needs to be a bit relax when facing KKK/TBh as they have nothing to lose...

..i would somewhat concur w/those..

The root of the problem is perhaps the serves? Koo/Tan's serves are certainly of a higher quality than Kido/Hendra

..the serves could be part of the problem (eg. Rexy and Tri Kusharjanto aren't tall players but still succeeded). But IMO, the difference lies in how confident each pair's net/front court game is. One example is, remember when MK & HS lost to TG & CW, after the former had won the 2005 Indonesia Open. At that time they couldn't figure out how to play against the veterans. Not until this yr's WC, when MK & HS finally figured out a way to beat their veteran counterparts. And so far, from what i've seen, IMO, for some reason KKK & TBH have been the aggressors/initiators and have able to read and react much quicker & sharper to MK & HS' game.

Anyways, we shall see what'll be in store in their upcoming match-ups..

 

[zqloy]

U're so KKK..

What r u implying here? While u're trying to lecture others, be careful of yr own words too. U dont know him personally do u?

 

[sonnymak]

I think Mk-HS reminds me of Cheah Soon Kit-and Yap Kim hock in the 90s and Ng Boon Bee-Tan Yaakhan of the late 60s and early 70s. All these pairs have one relatively short in height players.

To make up for the height disadvantage, Ng, Yap, and Markis Jumps high and smash hard much harder than the taller players. If their smashes are not returned then no problem, their problem starts when good defence players would return the smashes away to the baseline and the shorter player suddenly find themselves back paddling, back arching to execute the followup smash which makes the amashes ineffective.

Thus Mk and Hs are good but against faster opponents like Fu-Cai and kkk-Tbh they are a bit troubled.

Just hope they dont go Luluk-Alven way, started with lots of potential but have not progress much since 2005.

 

[chavin]

No offense,but i dont think u get too excited with it,since KKK/TBH was formed by an Indonesian coach,and ur double players getting better since Rexy's there.So,stop the arrogancy while the indo still keep their mouth shuts.It's like talking craps about ur teacher when u're already better than him...U're so KKK..

Well...to us badminton fan around the globe seem to hv something in common, that is we support our idol or our respective countryman to win their match. so i dont think what qidong says imply to as arrogant, its as sports fan nature.
the word no offense here or no offense there does show that ur knowlege on or as a badminton is pretty shallow.
we dont call others KKK or talking craps regard of that individual style or way of supporting their players.
our purpose of joining BC n logging in is because of BADMINTON and to makes as many badminton fan as possible to share our passion on this game.
we dont join just to be lecture by you dont we?. if u cant absorb the fans way of supporting then i advise u to buck up (i mean pack up or shut up). a good coach is just a good coach,without talent no coach can make them what they r just like LD,TH,LCW,FH/CY,KKK/TBH and many many more fine player out there.
so...no offense again PEACE

 

[xymaerts]

hahaha..i like your reply.. Is true.. is true..

KKK/TBH can easily be defeated by Luluk/Alven
Luluk/Alven can easily be defeated by Fu/Cai
Fu/Cai can easily be defeated by WWW/TTF
WWW/TTF can easily be defeated by Kido/Hendra
Kido/Hendra can easily be defeated by KKK/TBH

 

[xymaerts]

I agree on this.. Especially setiawan.. Their face shows that they are panic/nervous when play with KKK/TBH...They seem like play until don't know what to do on the match..

It seems they have absolutely no confidence when facing KKK/TBH. They were doomed to lose even before the game started. What the hell. This definitely is not a champion spirit. When CY/FHF were beaten by KKK/TBH time after time, they still had confidence and were full of fighting spirit, that's why they can revenge when KKK/TBH's form dropped.

Kido/Setiawan should talk to some psychiatrist.

 

[xymaerts]

Is it something like Bao alway beat Taufik. But, he lose most of the time to LCW. While LCW lost most of the time to Taufik..

Thats not true...MK/HS did not play well especially MK's smashes were not sharp at all and MK's netting was horrible......that affected HS' play....give them time and they will come back..may be KKK/TBH's style does not fit well with MK/HS...it is common that pair A can beat pair C, but pair B beats pair A then Pair C beats pair B....

 

[alfa-2]

firstly they are great players, but i think the factor is their game style kido is basicly the smashin man and setiawan is the rest but their games have like gaps wherer koo and tan can exploit easily because of their playin styles.but they have 2 change their hold game cause koo and tan are like all round players but if you compare them head 2 head kido and tan ? or setiawan or kean kiat ? kido obviosly on tan except tan is a lil faster and kean kiat is faster than setiwan but setiawan has more skill.there is olso this speed factor.but kido and setiwan are amazing and they have betta personalities that koo and tan kido and setiawan are very friendly and good and stuff but that doesnt effect you on court sadly.and they have 2 be serious because when they play they have 2 switch strategy while koo and tan just play normal cause their faster

im really confused of what you are trying to say here........

 

[xymaerts]

I think Kedio/Hendrawan's World Champion title does not match their status..Many pair can beat them. In fact not really tough to beat them.
After become the World Champion, consistency is most important.. U have to continue wining.. Not each time lose in tournament...

 

[zqloy]

I think Kedio/Hendrawan's World Champion title does not match their status..Many pair can beat them. In fact not really tough to beat them.
After become the World Champion, consistency is most important.. U have to continue wining.. Not each time lose in tournament...

Not easy to be consistent nowadays. Cai/Fu won last years WC, but an 8 months drought followed right after that...

 

[xymaerts]

I really sirlute LD, hold the World no.1 for almost 4 years...And 2 times WC...What i mean is this kind of people where the World Champion status really match them. Of course i am not demanding every WC holder stand a 3 to 4 years World no1 ranking. But, at least u are good or consistance for sometimes.. Not immediate drop righ after you get your WC title..

Not easy to be consistent nowadays. Cai/Fu won last years WC, but an 8 months drought followed right after that...

 

[george@chongwei]

they have problem facing malaysian pair during this few months