India Badminton

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  1. Forestal

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    Agreed -- the closest sport to badminton is table tennis, not tennis -- because being the second fastest (badminton) and the fastest (table tennis) racquet sports in the world should tell you how the training and scheduling of tournaments must be conducted.

    There are similarly only around 5 or so platinum tour events plus 5 or so regular world tour events per year which top table-tennis players participate in (along with local leagues and team competitions) -- and that's even when table tennis matches are so short that their tournaments only take half a week instead of a full week like badminton

    So do not even talk to me about the pathetically slow speeds of the so called "aces" in tennis, which do not even come close to breaking the speed of sound (330km/h)....
     
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    The closest sport to Badminton is table tennis? Not sure if serious. Look at the physique of most TT players: plenty of chubsters and fatties playing at the international level. Then look at badminton. Even 37 year old Lee Hyun Il is fit as hell.

    Table tennis is the golf of racket sports.
     
  3. j4ckie

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    You tell everyone to not compare Badminton and Tennis and then you compare them....weird.
    Tennis is just a different sport, and one athlete doing one thing in one sport just doesn't mean another athlete should do the same thing in another sport.
    Sprinters doing several races a day in competition don't mean that badminton players should play several matches a day. The schedule has to fit the demands of the competition, and playing over 15 tournaments in badminton is more than enough stress for most athletes.
    In Tennis, you get far less intense matches in early rounds most of the time, and the different kinds of movement will certainly play a role as well.
     
  4. Forestal

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    Totally serious, I'm talking actual sports MANAGEMENT; not how much you feel like seeing it... every year, clueless people who don't actually play badminton keep talking about extending the tournaments/ rallies or even the no. of tournament as if there is no cost except for a few more hours of their time.

    Competitive badminton and table tennis takes a very heavy toll on your joints because of the amount and speed of movement required in very short times (Force = mass x acceleration); which no amount training or medicine (short of Synovial fluid replacement injections) will "prepare/ protect" you from.
     
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    Reading comprehension grade: FAIL

    Trolling/ Self Justification Words grade: A+
     
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    In your case, yeah. You also fail to comprehend the absolutely basic mechanics involved, comparing the velocities of objects of vastly different mass, i.e. "I find it pretty lame that Olympic weightlifters accelerate those 170+kg on their snatch to less than 200km/h, even I can smash harder than that, pathetic."
     
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    Badminton is the fastest racquet sports.

    Even R1&R2 matches are intense and that contributes to lots of stress. Matches are short contribute to that much intenseness.
     
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    Team India in France.:)

     
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    pranav & sikki are playing on qualifier day but not in qualifiers, they are in main draw, in most of the main tournaments, XD events happen on qualifier day itself
     
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    Gopichand concerned with next year's scheduling of tournaments. Too many important events are too close to each other. Players peaking and performing will be a challenge.

    Link: https://sportscafe.in/articles/badm...-india-winning-six-superseries-titles-in-2017

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    Pullela Gopichand believes India still have a long way to go before being branded
    as the dominant force in world badminton despite the players bringing home six Superseries titles this year.
    We as a system are not ready for that sort of a thing (moniker). Unfortunately, there are not many people, who understand world level sport and it is too early to say that. There is immense potential but the system, I think a lot still needs to be done.”

    Overall it has been a good positive year. We had some very good performances at World Championship, Super series… I think it is a stepping stone for the next 2-3 years, leading up to the Commonwealth Games and Asian Games, Olympic qualification and then the Tokyo Games.”

    India have a hectic year ahead of them with a host of big-ticket events, including Commonwealth Games, and Asian Games lined up, which demands the shuttlers to chalk up their preparation schedule as soon as they get the dates.

    Gopichand seemed concerned with the tournaments scheduled close to each other.

    “We will have the periodization and planning for next year but it is going to be a challenge because there are too many important tournaments too close (to each other). All England and Commonwealth Games are close to each other while World Championship and Asian Games are close,” he said.

    “There are tons of other tournaments which decide the rankings, so it will be a challenge. It will be a difficult year but hopefully, we will manage."
     
  11. Cheung

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    Gopichand always seems to have the right words. Is he like that with the players?

    I remember Jwala used to have some issues about his management. Maybe she was a player ahead of her time as the India badminton infrastructure couldn't cope with bringing up doubles players as fast as singles players.
     
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    Gopichand is known as a very strict coach on court but friendly off court! Tan KIm Her said there were no doubles training programmes in place for senior or junior players in his recent interview to The Scroll. There were 2 issues, infrastructure and the absence of a top level doubles coach like Tan Kim Her. India is a large country and needs similar infrastructure and coaches for the other 4 zones in India. It will take time for the rest of India to get top level coaches and infrastructure. Short term plans are National camps outside the South zone. Players in Gopichand Academy (National Training Center) and Prakash Padukone academy have a major advantage compared to the players in other zones in India. Doubles players are making slow but steady progress. Some of the senior doubles players may not fulfill expectations and will be dropped when juniors take their place. Indian doubles will be a better force 2019 onwards. :)
     
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    I will also add that there is a cultural reason why we arent doing as well in doubles. India is a hero worshipping country. Even in team sports there always has to be a hero. Tendulkar or Bhutia. While the rest of the team can go to hell.
    Doubles is a team sport. There is never the same amount of attention given to doubles as singles. Even when they achieve stuff, they dont get the same respect. Its a pity but true. As we are an evolving society, doubles will get better only with time. Infrastructure and Coaching etc will take us only so far.
     
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    That's true in every country in every sport. The top individuals will obviously receive most of the attention. Rafael Nadal receives 1000000x the attention of whoever the next ranked Spaniard is, whether in doubles or singles.

    Do Chinese doubles get as much attention as Lin Dan, Chen Long etc? Nope.
    Do Malaysian doubles get as much attention as LCW? Nope.

    Churning out good-great players in singles or doubles is all about quality coaching. Doubles coaching is non-existent. Look at singles -- you remove Gopichand and Prakash Padukone from the picture (as coaches and owners of top badminton academies) and singles would be non-existent as well.
     
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    India has one doubles pair who has won the French Open, Partho Ganguly/Vikram Singh though it was several years ago in 1983! 5 Indian Singles players have also won here. :)

    Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Open_(badminton)

    MD Partho Ganguly/ Vikram Singh 1983

    WS Aparna Popat 1998

    MS
    1. Vimal Kumar 1983
    2.Vimal Kumar 1984
    3.Siddharth Jain 2000
    4.Abhinn Shyam Gupta 2002

     
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    It was posted earlier in this page. ;)
     
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    Satwik Rankireddy has a loyal legion of fans offline and online. Satwik will help doubles become popular as he and Chirag Shetty improve their performances. The below tweet is from one of his online armies of supporters. :)

     
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    Hero worship exists everywhere but differs in its degree.
    The German football team won the world cup without one big star. It's a cultural thing. Some of the European states, I would say, have imbibed team work more than others. Japan too perhaps. They quickly cut momota down to size after the scandal. Think of Malaysia doing anything similar to lcw.
    India needs to imbibe the team work spirit above individual accomplishments.
    IMHO.
     
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