INA's squad for Sudirman Cup 2009

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  1. ctjcad

    ctjcad Regular Member

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    Well..

    - Well, IMO, INA doubles dept., esp. the MD, has never really lost its footing. They are after all, one of, if not the most dominant & consistent doubles specialists in the world.

    - True, Markis and whoever was his partner never won any big titles nor made "big bangs" when they were teens. However, it's not really a surprise. As a matter of fact, if one is to do a bit of research, one will find that most of the INA's doubles greats (Christian H., Tony G., Candra W., Sigit B., to name a few) didn't get a taste of their first major or non-major title(s) til they were in their early twenties. Roughly the same age as Markis & Hendra when they won their first major title. Markis and whoever his partner was (Hendra) won the Asian Champ and Indonesia Open when they were 21. Heck, he & his partner were the runner-ups in the Denmark Open when he was 20.;)

    - Maria? What about her? What major, or even Open type, tourneys has she won other than finishing as a Semifinalist in last yr's OG? All of her titles have been Satellite type tourneys.
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    - Personally, I take what Taufik say or mentioned with a grain of salt. Remember, he kinda said/mentioned the same thing before, during his 2006-2008 big tourney appearances, yet look at what happened.
    I'm only concerned about result. If his current "attitude on court" has changed etc., like he said, well, let's see 'em titles, esp. SS titles, rack up by the boatload.;)
    - Of course, the goal for every team is to win. But, again, let's look at it realistically. In this case, INA's chances.
    If the percentage of winning it all is say @ 30% (less than 50%), w/veteran players or not, like you put it, then why don't PBSI give the younger, with some experience players a chance to perform. Rather than the same old, same old players? The younger, more experienced players have got nothing to lose & they'll gain something from being put in this type of high level team competition.

    - It's fine if we agree to disagree. But i'm still looking for an explanation on why sending & playing veteran players instead of younger, somewhat experienced players will benefit the players, esp. the veteran players?
    What will the veteran players gain if they're the ones being asked to play & perform? What will the younger, somewhat more experienced players gain by not given a chance to play?

    - I don't really care much whether Tommy is 2 or 3 or 4 yrs younger than Andre. I haven't really seen much of Andre's nor Tommy's game, but if Tommy or his game does have more upside than Andre, then his results would speak for themselves, wouldn't they?
    Again, as i mentioned earlier, i'm making as much reservation on them as i can.:cool:
     
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    Well it's your call. I thought he seemed more relaxed before he mentioned it himself... We have seen results though :confused:. I don't see why it has to be winning. If you can look past that, it's clear as day he's improved...

    BUT he still has terrible games every now and then. At least now, it's not nearly EVERY game ;)... like awhile ago.
     
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    Indonesian squad for this year's Sudirman Cup is the weakest I've seen in years.Fortunately (or,unfortunately) Indonesia become 2nd seed,thanks to high rank points from veteran players who even aren't in the squad.

    I'm really happy Indonesia is in the Group 1B,cause Group 1A is more tough with Malaysia,Denmark and Korea would kill each other.As long as Indonesia doesn't make big mistake,they will pass England & Japan,so they will through the SF.
    After that,just hope with lucky,if they can make it to the final again.
     
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    Red Team 3 - 2 White Team
    Lindaweni Fanetri 0 - 1 Adrianti Firdasari
    Sony Dwi Kuncoro 0 - 2 Simon Santoso
    Nitya Krishinda/Greysia Polii 1 - 2 Shendy Puspa/Meiliana Jauhari
    Nova Widianto/Liliyana Natsir 2 - 2 Devin Lahardi/Lita Nurlita
    Mohammad Ahsan/Bona Septano 1 - 0 Rian Sukmawan/Yonathan Suryatma.
     
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    Lindaweni lost to Firdasari 17-21, 19-21
    Sony lost to Simon 17-21, 12-21
    Nitya/Grace win to Shendy/Mel 21-12, 21-6
    Nova/Lily win to Lita/Devin 21-13, 14-21, 21-19
    Bona/Ahsan win to Rian/Yoke 20-22, 24-22, 21-19
     
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    Where do u get the results?

    The news said that they held the simulation on friday last week and wednesday this week. Why there is only 1 team result?
     
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    I read in local newspaper (jawa pos)
    Its a yesterday result and i dont know about the result on friday..

    Maria kristin didnt join the simulation because she must take care her condition after injury. Markis/Hendra didnt join because they play a exibition match againts candra/sigit in candrawijaya cup and they lost to candra/sigit 34-36
     
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    Beside simulation match, INA squad also did outbound training last weekend to raise team-work spirit.
     
  10. Loh

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    Its seems INA's chance of doing well is further diminished by being in the same group as CHN since many here believe that INA's team is perhaps the weakest in recent history.

    And LYB is on record as saying they are taking their opponents very seriously as well, whoever they are. :eek:
     
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    It seems that INA team officials able to predict the draw:D:D
    They are very lucky indeed not to be placing in the "Group of Death" :)
     
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    hope Indonesia team reach at least semifinal. it will be big surprise if they can manage to final
     
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    well I don't want to care too much about Indonesia's chance in 2009SC.. Because yeah I guess Indonesia will win only by luck.

    men's singles: sony? I don't think so. Simon? poor performances. Tommy? Too young.
    women's singles: Maria Kristin? no hope except she had 'something' to boost her spirit. Adrianti Firdasari? not so good track records in Sudirman Cup experiences. Lindaweni? See you on the bench!
    mixed doubles: Lilyana/Nova? inconsistence performance. Devin/Lita? benchwarmers
    men's doubles: kido/hendra? pray to God that Kido is injury-free at d-day.. pray hard..
    bona/ahsan? God please bless them so they can perform on their maximum potential. Rian/Yoke? holla benchwarmers!
    women's doubles: shendy/meiliana or nitya/greys: both, no hope.. except mix them with lilyana or vita.

    oh God, there's no hope for Indonesia :(
    but a great accomplishment for PBSI, only pelatnas players chosen for the team.
     
  14. ctjcad

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    A couple more sens..

    ..IMO, they should do without Sony, Nova and possibly Devin.
    They could've filled those with players like Andre K.T. (eventhough he's with Djarum), Lindanewi and another player.
    Anyway, those 3 veteran players should be shelved for the next edition of TC or SC..
    ..INA will be in the same group with CHN, ENG & JPN. So, IMO, the likelihood for them to advance to the Semifinals round is pretty good, although it could be a tough one. It'll be a good experience for them youngsters..:cool:
     
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    Fyi...

    She's included in the team as well. ;)
    And...it's Lindaweni.
     
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    There is this thing called, Team Spirit. Our Malaysian Thomas Cup team of the mid-80s to mid-90s epitomized that in spades.

    On paper, we were far behind the top guns of China, Indonesia, and probably on par only with Denmark and Korea. But we got to 4 straight finals from 88 to 94 (semifinals in 86) and won the 1992 edition. Had our more talented 2006 and 2008 squad had the same spirit, we could have walked off with those titles or at least feature in the finals.

    Team Spirit is one thing I know INA has too. For some reason it did not feature too well in 2008 Thomas Cup squad, but the 2008 Uber Cup team took it to heart. Some people might say that it is due to Susi Susanti et al or your 100-years of national awakening. But in the end, only the players can feature on court. And fight on court they did.

    Maybe INA would gain some benefit out of it in the Sudirman Cup.
     
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    Yes, the team spirit is:

    MALAYSIA BOLEH!

    ;):):D
     
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    Yes..

    ..that's right..I had missed the "Sudirman Cup 2009 List of Players" thread..
     
  19. Jagdpanther

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    Never forget our brand new

    INDONESIA BISA!

    :D:D
     
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    We'll see whether INA Sudirman team may repeat 2008 Uber Cup momentum once again to reach best result.
     

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