IN or OUT?

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IN or OUT?

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  1. jug8man

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    im assuming that that is the moment of 'touch down'.
    coz: why would kwun show a picture of a shuttle that has not 'landed' and ask us to judge in or out?

    if so i would definetely say it is out.
     
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    I don't think that would be a right call.

    How about putting as "If you can't clearly see it in, then call it out".. :D
    It just depends who should reap the benefit of doubt.
     
  3. SystemicAnomaly

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    Good sportsmanship dictates that you should always give your opponent the benefit of the doubt. In this case however, I'd still be inclined to call this shot OUT cuz that is what my eyes are telling me in this case.

    The only thing that prevents me from saying that my call is absolutely correct is the inferiror quality of the photographic evidence presented.
     
  4. jamesd20

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    I dont think the shuttle has landed, therefor cant make a decision.

    If that was the position landed, then I would say out. The point of the cork that would have hit the line first would not have been in contact with the Line.
     
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    Out!

    I know that any part of the shuttle touching any part of the line should be called in, but when you look carefully at the picture, AND also think about the shape of the shuttle's cork, then logically the tip of the cork will touch the floor (beyond the line) before the inner part touches the outer edge, so it should be called OUT.

    This looks like a clear that has dropped vertically, it would be different if it was a smash that was travelling almost horizontally, then you could say the side of the cork did touch the line first.

    Just IMHO. :)
     
  6. jkusmanto

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    If we see the picture, most of us will say it is IN.
    But if we are a lines men on the field, I think most us will call it OUT.


    Because Kwun show us a picture, so I say IN.
     
  7. cooler

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    I'm surprised some are undecided (even tho reason was given)
     
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    Exactly, no line judges nor umpire can make a line call if the shuttle hasn't landed on the court surface. A proper call is based on visual on the shuttle being landed and not from estimation of its projectory flight angle. So polling a line call before shuttle being landed is pointless and i assumed that is not the case here
     
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  9. kwun

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    just to clarify, the pic does show the moment the shuttle hits the ground..
     
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    I will call it "IN" as long as the bird touches the line. With the angle of that bird is heading, looks like is going to touch the line for sure.
     
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    i don't see any part of the shuttle touching the line :confused: :confused: ... for me this is always "out" .
     
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    that picture looked like it used edge enhancement. Basically, darkening/lightening the edges of high contrast areas, effectively making the line look bigger than it actually is.

    Based on that, i'd say it's out.
     
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    ;) Perfect....
     
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    So, how was it called IRL? that's what interests us! :D
     
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    Out

    Out!!!


    Definitely, an In wouldn't be too much of a scene as the shuttle barely or rather dun actualyy landing in the area of the line. The trajectory of the shuttle itsself didn;t show that it is going in, rather it was going out.
     
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    I am sure the answer can be revealed by doing detail image analysis but hey this is sports, the linesman makes the call.

    For a close call like that, the answer is depending on the linesman. If I were the linesman, I would call it IN because my judgement is the head of the shuttle touches the line. Others might call it an OUT, which is acceptable.....that is what makes a live sports different from a video game.
     
  17. kwun

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    nope. it was a frame capture, any "visual effect", blame the tape! :)
     
  18. kwun

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    28 in
    27 out

    this poll is closer than i thought!

    i will let you guys know how the linesman called it at midnight PST.
     
  19. cooler

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    LOL, at least we do know now that about half of the respondents are not ready to be line judges :p
     
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    My call would have been "out!".

    At that camera angle, shots very close to the line, that seemingly look like they're catching the line, can actually be just out if one were to be sitting where the linesmen are and looking directly down the line. In that photo, the shuttle cork actually looks mostly out. The first contact point of the cork even looking to be outside the line. So I would say when looking properly directly down the line, the shuttle cork would have clearly contacted the ground outside the line/court.
     

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