Gideon Marcus Fernaldi / Kevin Sanjaya Sukamuljo

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  1. tepokbulu

    tepokbulu Regular Member

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    there is always wc every year
    wc,wc,wc,og
    wc,wc,wc,og
    wc,wc,wc,og
     
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    Indonesia Open, AE, ChinaOpen, JapanOpen. Those are big titles too and they won each 2x. They probably just need 1 WC (as it is big titles just like IO,AE CO SSF) to cement their legacy. But if that didnt happen, OG is also very fine.

    Of course AG is gigantic too. There are reasons why China wants to hold the next AG and Korea before that , too.

    I hope they look forward knowing that they have achieved more than 99% of what their competitors can dream of and keep breaking the records. cant have everything in life.
     
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    What LCW went through is more cruel than Minions. They were different eras, money made last time not as much as now. On top of it, he cant enjoy his life after retirement.

    The rise of social medias and internet and all means fans want to see continuous winner instead of just so called 1 title. Whats the point of 1WC if they still have less titles than Lee/Yoo / AhsanHendra. its perspective. In this case, at least they have achieved more than Lee/Yoo. I dont know if AhsanHendra were to win their 3rd WC. They have like 10SS and many finals , will you think Minions have achieved more than Daddies?

    Its like JC who win AG, but i dont really appreciate that coz he cant win other titles consistently. If any, it should be AG that won the tournament for him.
     
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    What cruel? LCW has multiples medals, minions NIL.
     
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    Not as long as the later games. And he hadn't delayed his receiving yet either.
     
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    Cancer is not cruel? Yes medals but not gold. Minions have AG gold and LCW doesnt. you can also say that way.
     
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    Cancer has nothing to do with LCW not winning gold medals.
     
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    Not winning Gold but Silver is cruel. Losing 21-19 in OlympicFinal is cruel. In any case, Its not like Minions have achieved more than LCW or anything.

    They are themselves just like the Chinese rever Fu/Zhang. Indonesia already have RickyRexy that won everything and many other top pairs, but even them might have less titles than Minions. Who do you think people will remember more ? RR also won AsianGames twice. No pair has defend a quadrannial event.
     
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    Fu/Zhang had won several titles too, not only OG.
    Winning silver is definitely not cruel no matter how you see it. Minions are not following LYD/XXX or LCW unless minions have reached final and lost it several times which they haven't.
     
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    what several title fu/zhang won? can you mention?
    they are just lucky og winner
    just like liu/zhang
    lucky wc winner
     
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    Fu/Zhang had won Denmark Open, Chinese Taipei Open, Singapore Open.
    Liu/Zhang had won Denmark Open beating minions in the final. Not even Li/Liu, the lucky WC winner, has ever done that.

    All winners are lucky no doubt about that. Unfortunate for minions to not have the luck, yet.
     
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    beating injured marcus 21-19 in the 3rd set
    how lucky they are to win denmark open
     
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    Bah, with LC as the partner? No it wasn't luck on ZN's part to win Denmark Open.
     
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    but LYD/LCW didnt win AsianGames. and especially LYD in MD. He actually lost it to AhsanHendra at his own home. The last 4 points was all his mistakes. you can win as many silvers as you want.
     
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    Not really, you have to get to the final first to win silver. Not to mention there are only one gold and one silver per tournament.
     
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    Most Chinese MD pairs are lucky this and Lucky winner. The only exception is CaiFu.
     
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    https://bwfworldchampionships.bwfba...ns-crash-land-at-worlds-yet-again-basel-2019/

    MINIONS CRASH LAND AT WORLDS YET AGAIN – BASEL 2019


    The World Championships jinx continued to haunt Marcus Fernaldi Gideon and Kevin Sanjaya Sukamuljo as the top seeds ran aground against Korea’s Choi Solgyu and Seo Seung Jae in the second round today.

    Choi and Seo showed character to bounce back from a first-game loss and a 17-19 deficit in the decider to prevail over the favourites: 16-21 21-14 23-21 in 64 minutes.

    The result meant that the Minions’ medal drought at the World Championships would continue despite their dominance of the circuit over the last three years.

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    Gideon and Sukamuljo lost the plot at crucial moments.

    Gideon and Sukamuljo were well in control at the start and seemed headed for a quick win. Things turned in the second, with the Koreans patiently working their way back. Choi had an outstanding day at the frontcourt and even outdid Sukamuljo in his control at the net. For the Minions, Gideon was distinctly below par as he could not work up his usual energy from the back.

    Still, the Minions did well to claw back from 12-16 in the third to 19-17, and even had match point at 20-19. The Koreans held the attack, and despite blowing one match point, converted the second when Gideon fluffed a service return.

    The Indonesians were sporting in their acknowledgment of the Koreans’ superiority on the day: “I think they had a great day today, they played better than us. We made too many errors. They delayed their serves and that affected our rhythm.”

    Asked about their wretched luck at World Championships, Gideon said: “It’s not about the World Championships. It’s just that today they were better than us.”
     
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    We could say that Cai/Fu was lucky to have LYD as their main rival in Major tournaments:p
     
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    Wanted to ignore it before, but you mentioned more than once about 'the crappy Korean pair'.
    We discussed about choi' controversial serve, you run out of argument & then suddenly came up with a new yet unrelated label for korean pair o_O
     
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    But its OK, LYD won more than 40+SS. Life is fair. Havent seen players dominated SS won the most WC (except ZN/ZYL). There is some pressure in it , think its because of the WC tournament structure in a whole calendar year. If BWF wants some normal players to suddenly become WC, so be it. If they want it held every other year instead of every 2 years. As long as the money keeps filling in.
     

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