Chinese Badminton

Discussion in 'China Professional Players' started by Justin L, Aug 31, 2013.

  1. CLELY

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    They can forget Olympic medal from MS category in Paris 2024 unless one of current players created unpredictable tremendous improvement.
     
  2. CLELY

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    It had ruined his career faster, time is running out, withered in the wind...
     
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    Maybe they won’t let chen long retire yet if they decide to ban shi yuqi for good. They need at least one contender
     
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    Chen Long has done his due diligence for the CBA, he is semi-retired now and only waiting to play his last Asian Games in Hangzhou. Most in China expect him to retire after that, and with his achievements he can definitely choose to retire anytime he wants.

    Shi Yuqi is currently being 'punished' for his misbehavior at the Thomas Cup, but given how outrageously poor the Chinese MS performed in recent tournaments, it is probably only a matter of time before CBA summons him back to the national team, as the coaching setup for MS is feeling the 'heat' from upper management now. The only problem with Shi Yuqi is that he never really recovered from his horrible ankle injury, his court coverage has regressed quite a lot and he is prone to injuries, so to the CBA he is a lost cause, similar to how Zheng Siwei is being 'demoted' to bringing up new partner now due to his wrist injury that he couldn't recover from which heavily restricted his signature continuous smashes from the rear court. Shi Yuqi will at best play a temporary role while the CBA searches for someone with potential to carry the MS team, as quite clearly Lee Shifeng isn't quite up to par yet.

    Edit: Correction on ZSW's injury as his niggling injury was on his knee but not his wrist, according to former national player Xue Song.
     
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    Even not at his best, SYQ at least hav a shot. I guess if CL really decides he doesn’t want to play anymore, he does deserve a good retirement and rest. But if he’s still keen, I’m sure they won’t say no. They are literally all they hav for now.
     
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    Yeah ZSW’s knee is heavily wrapped and his movement is visibly impaired, pity
     
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    It can happen. Li Xuerui, Ji Xinpeng
     
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    Very doubtful that he’s going to feature in two years time.
     
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    That's what badminton fans waiting as there's possibility for the underestimated player to create super shock result in OG, Ji XP was very good example in Sydney 2000.
     
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    https://bwfbadminton.com/news-single/2022/03/25/integrity-ruling-against-four-chinese-players/

    The Badminton World Federation (BWF) can announce the outcome of an integrity case involving four men’s doubles players from China: He Ji Ting, Tan Qiang, Li Jun Hui (now retired) and Liu Yu Chen.

    The four players were found to have violated Article 3.1.2 of the 2017 BWF Code of Conduct in Relation to Betting, Wagering and Irregular Match Results for failing to use best efforts to win a match at the Fuzhou China Open 2018.

    The Independent Hearing Panel (IHP) issued three-month bans from all badminton-related activities to each player. These sentences were suspended for a probationary period of two years starting 25 January 2022. Should there be any repeat offences within the two-year probation period the three-month bans will take effect.

    Each player was also required to forfeit their prize money from the Fuzhou China Open 2018: He Ji Ting/Tan Qiang (US$12,250) and Li Jun Hui/Liu Yu Chen (US$2,187.50).

    As per the Judicial Procedures, the athletes had the right to appeal the decision to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) within 21 days of the notice of the reasoned decision. However, no appeal was lodged.

    The reasoned decision of the IHP can be downloaded from the BWF website (reasoned decisions).
     
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    Thanks for sharing this.

    You don't happen to have a link to a video of the game by any chance?
    While the report seems quite clear and doesn't particularly surprise me, I would like to see for myself how obvious it was.

    Interesting to see Ratchanok's Coach jump in as a defender for the Chinese players. Not much that he could do (or could have done) though.

    Well, Thomas Cup will be tough without LYC and HJT.
    Don't see a big chance for team China getting into the SF stage with the current MS lineup (unless SYQ or CL come back at a somewhat decent form but wouldn't count on that) and only Zhang Nan and Liu Cheng as leading MD pair...

    Bringing in WYL and ZSW would be interesting otoh and they could be able to compete with most MD2
     
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    The sentence is suspended so unless they reoffend, nothing is actually happening to them right?
     
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    Quickly browsed through the document. It seems that:
    Charge 1: not putting forward the best effort - held.
    Charge 2: manipulate match outcome - dismissed.
    Charge 3: collude to play passively - dismissed.

    To be fair, many matches can be charged with the first offence. When they are not between players from the same association, it's often only one side is at fault and they do not look so bad. In reality, there is no way that athletes can put up the "best effort" all the time. However, in any event, they surely have an obligation to do so as professional athletes. Hope this serves as a stern reminder that, at a minimum, reasonable effort must be made rather than seemingly tanking a match for whatever reason. That will simply destroy the sport and ruin it for everyone.

    The next two charges, if proven, are not excusable and should be severely punished. In this particular case, both were dismissed. The decision seems reasonable. The circumstance here is far different from the London Olympics debacle in which these charges would be upheld.

    Let this be a lesson for everyone, for the common good of badminton.

    P.S. CBA has accepted the decision and will apply additional punishments. https://sports.sina.com.cn/others/badmin/2022-03-25/doc-imcwiwss8126572.shtml
     
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    This is a head scratcher… basically it says they are guilty of not putting their best efforts… what about those scenarios when players retire, how would you decide those are “legit”? I guess you can say the “no points awarded if someone retires when playing compatriot” will protect that? So we are saying “not giving best efforts” only happens when playing with compatriots? There just seems to be many potential logic gaps here…
     
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    Great points. Good sharing.
     
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    So its a final match? Why did they even do it? They don’t need to conserve energy or let the “better” pair play against another country.
     
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    I didn't look for a video but you can see the disgust from Vittinghus

     
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    Here you go
     
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    That's what it says.
     
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    The wording used may be weak and create confusion, as it is subjective to say a plauer not giving his best performance. However, this actually have a history of itself.

    It started in in 2012 olympics wd atch fixing scandal. Tian jing/ zhao yunlei, who was a favourite and ranked 2nd in the world, unexpectedly lost to juhl/pedersen in their group matches. They still progress, as 2nd position of the group, to the knock out round.

    In the knock out round, group winners were supposed to face 2nd position of another group. In order to avoid in fighting and potentially drawing against tian/zhao, which most believe to be harder opponent than pedersen/juhl, 4 different pairs (2 south korean, 1 Chinese, 1 Indonesian) pairs decided to lose their matches, as they can qualified as 2nd position. They played purposely for loss, and continue to do so after umpire reminders. All 4 pair were banned from progressing.

    The thing is, at that time, badminton was consider a gentleman sorts and match fixing is almost unheard off. There isn't a rule to specifically deal with purposely losing a match. As such this line was used for best approach to the very serious issues.

    Another thing to note is that there is no objection towards the fact that the pairs purposely lost their games by match fixing. Coaches claimed they use their best effort to win the tournament by avoiding a strong opponent and by ensuring more teams reaches semi final.

    Tian/Zhao proceed to win the tournament while pedersen/juhl lost in the 1st knockout stage.

    So that's the history. The wordings used is just that, but it means match fixing.
     
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