Candra / Halim

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  1. HoNgHoNg

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    mayb i'll apply leave on the weekend to catch the quater, semi n final :D
     
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    Chandra and Halim - no olympics

    Who thinks Chandra and Halim will qualify for the olympics?

    Flandy/Eng, Alven, Hadiyanto will have their place booked....Sigit/Tri Kush and Chandra/Halim have to fight to gain enough points to qualify..

    It is argued that Chandra and Halim have the most potential out of the 2 pairs...but Sigit and Tri Kush have performed ever so slightly better.

    Looking at the upcoming Japan Open, Chandra and Halim are drawn against Sang and Zheng of China, Korea Open finallists...and so may lose in round 1. Sigit and Tri are drawn against Ohtsuka and Masuda of Japan. They should progress to second round, and have Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah barring any Handcocks;) in second round. Looks like the luck is against them this year...it makes the decision to break up Chandra/Sigit even worse. Whose fault was it again? Was it Chandra who asked for the break up? or the PBSI or whatever its called ;)

    I don't think we'll see Chandra, Sigit, Trikush, and Halim in another Olympics after 2004 :( :( unless Tony Gunawan is called back to have one last go with Chandra in 2008 Beijing :rolleyes:

    Looking at the draw, if Indonesia wanted a 3rd doubles in Olympics, Sigit and Trikush would be the only option. Not only are they higher ranked than Chandra/Halim, but in Japan Open, if Sigit/Tri can win Choong/Lee in second round, then they could meet Alven/Hadiyanto in Quarters...should the PBSI want to, they could use Li Yong Bo's favourite tactic ;) to ensure that they at least reach semi-finals. In fact Sigit/Tri and Chandra/Halim are in the same halves...
     
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    I don't think Indos will arrange any match. (not the same mentality)
    There have already been many occasions and they didn't (Hian/Limpele or Luluk/Alven beating the others) so why would it change now??
     
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    PBSI has no mentality like Li Yong Bo's.
    Indonesian play fair.

    There will be no Chandra in Athena, I feel sorry about htis.
    But we will see Hian/Limpele, Aven/Luluk and Sigit/Tri.
     
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    Candra/Halim can still be selected instead of Sigit/Trikus : they only have 8 tournaments counting at the moment (because they get ZERO points for their withdrawal in the German Open)

    If they do well in the JO and ABC Champs, they can still qualify...
     
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    Ofcouse they can be selected, but if we look at the JO draw, I am pessimis that they will collect enough point to go through Athene.
    In the first round Sigit/Trikush has to face Japanees pair, on paper no problem, and they go to the second round to face Choong/Lee of Malaysia. Let's say they won't make it. So..... they will out in the secound round.
    Now take a look Chandra/Halim, they have to face KO finalist Sang/Zheng.
    Do you think they will make it ? I don't think so. So.... out in the first round.
    At this point, Sigit/Trikush has a beter position the world ranking.

    Chandra/Halim will be selected if and this is the last chance for them :
    They have to get through to (at least) semi final (champiopn will be much beter) in ABC Championship and Sigit/Trikush has a bad result.

    Everything can happen, but I am doubt about it.
     
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    I agree it won't be easy, but don't forget Candra/Halim got ZERO points from German Open.

    ABC will be their eleventh tournament for both of them, so their worse result will be taken off their total (total counting the ten best performances).

    For the moment, Candra/Halim's worst result was zero points whereas Sigit/Trikus's worse result was 75 points.

    So if you want to compare both pairs chances, you should take 75 points off Sigit/Trikus's total points.

    That's why I think it is still very tight between these two pairs who will be under great pressure in their two next outings...
     
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    Another important point : it is quite likely that all four Indo pairs will be in the world top 16 by the deadline, so coaches may choose not to respect world ranking order.
    I'm not sure they would do so though...
     
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    Given the choice, I would field Chandra and Halim over Sigit and Trikush.

    I think they are good enough to at least get a medal...if Chandra and Sigit had carried on playing, say at the beginning of this year, I'm sure they would be back in the top ten already. For the recent Thomas Cup preliminaries, did Sigit and Chandra not play together and won everyone else?

    How many ranking points are up for grabs at Japan Open and ABC?
     
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    is it possible?

    Is it possible that assuming both C/H and S/T enter top 16, PBSI can decide to split pairs and Candra/Sigit will be reunited to play in the OG?

    Is it still possible if only one of these pairs is in top 16?

    Anyone analysed the rules of OG qualification, is it possible?

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    I thought for the OG, they have to base on world ranking and I doubt Candra/Sigit will have enough points since they have not been playing together for so long. However, for the TC, they can play together as second doubles if the preferred pairs are injured.
     
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    Japan Open is a 5* open, ABC is equivalent to a 4* open.
     
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    It is possible that both C/H & S/T enter the top 16 by the end of May.
    If it happens, that will be hard for PBSI to decide which pair goes to OG.

    I think it isn't possible to rejoint C/S.
    Like Loh said
    Remember ! When PBSI held a exhibition in Batam before KO, PBSI rejoint C/S. What is that means ? ;)
     
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    I think PBSI could let C/S play 2nd double in TC if necessary. It is hard for any 2nd doubles to beat C/S at home ground. I think PBSI wants 2 points for sure from double for TC.
     
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    Right now PBSI has 4 pairs : Hian/Limpele, Aven/Luluk, Chandra/Halim and Sigit/Trikush.

    Putting Chandra/Sigit to the 2nd double is a Joker for PBSI.
    According to the ranking, it should be Aven/Luluk as a 2nd double.
    Hian/Limpele and Aven/Luluk are not splitable, but the last 2 pairs, but be "modifable".
    So.... wait and see what PBSI will do. ;)
     
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    i doubt it. TC matches counts towards Olympics qualifying points. if they split them up again during the TC, that means they are throwing the towel for either of the two pairs to qualify.

    from that standpoint, i think PBSI will stay with Candra/Halim and Sigit/Trikus for the TC.

    they may even gamble a bit and let Alven/Luluk or Limpele/Hian sit out for a couple of matches.
     
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    Does the TC matches count towards Olympics? I though the ABC is the last one counted towards Olympics.

    Even the points counted, PBSI would use A/L and L/H most probably. I just suggested if they get injured or out of form at TC, PBSI may put up C/S intead of C/H or S/T.

    Either way, INA still has the strongest MD even C/S was split. I really worried for China to be able to get back TC this time at INA home ground.
     
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    my bad. TC/UC doesn't count.

    look at the rankings released today.

    Sigit/Trikus at #14
    Candra/Halim at #17
     
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    Yes, in fact both Candra/Halim and Sigit/Trikus will have 12 tournaments counting in their world ranking (10 current + JO + ABC) on 1st of may.

    As a consequence, the TWO worst performances won't count (since only the ten best performances are taken into account for the World Ranking)

    At the moment :
    Sigit/Trikus : 2028 points, worst perfs : Taipei 105, German 75
    Candra/Halim : 1881 points, worst perfs : All England 48, German 0

    Sigit/Trikus have a "virtual" total of 2028-105-75 = 1848 points
    Candra/Halim have a "virtual" total of 1881-48-0 = 1833 points

    my conclusion is that both pairs are even for the moment and that everything will be decided in the two next tournaments : Japan Open and ABC!
     
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    thanks seven for the insightful analysis.

    i wonder if they both have their feet in the top 16, what will PBSI do? they need to pick 3 pairs out of 4.

    if i were PBSI, i will just say, the highest 3 rankings go. it will be simple and justifiable.

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