2018 HSBC BWF World Tour Final: Race to Guangzhou

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  1. samkool

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    ummm... how many? :rolleyes: ;)
     
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    True but TTY felt she wasn't in good shape for the CHN Open, so chose to skip it and defend only the HK Open title. Nobody likes losing to anyone, esp not to your main rivals, and not when you feel in less than desirable condition. Just ask Lin Dan and LCW, or Viktor Axelsen.

    Don't forget,esp between archrivals, there is such a thing called psychological advantage that you want to maintain for as long as possible, at least until the next major matchup.
     
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    Isn't TTY archrival RI?
     
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    FukuHiro won All Japan with a fairly easy win over TakaMatsu.
    Buuuut still got no place in the WTF :cool:
     
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    Why only Intanon Ratchanok, based on H2H? No, anyone who is a threat is a rival, practically the consistent top few and a couple others who you better not take lightly , even the lesser ones as what Lin Dan once said when it comes to the major championships.

    Which WS don't take the multiple WC/OG titlist Marin as their main or biggest rival ?
     
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    And if Marin was taken as every WS players main or biggest rival, why would she shy away from a tournament just because she was afraid to lose? Your theory about her withdrawal just didn't make sense.
     
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    Not so much afraid to lose but unwilling to risk defeat when not in good form. Besides, as I've pointed out originally, she can well afford to be selective of which tournaments to play, for being multiple WC/OG champion, based on her own priorities, needs and wants, a special privilege she is entitled to, I'm sure her coach allows her that.

    Then why do you think she chose to skip the prestigious year-end grand finale that awards good money as far as WTS events are concerned,total USD1.5M, WS champion takes USD120,000 (for five days work)? And she can still play the PBL, no conflict in schedule, P V Sindhu taking part in both tourneys.

    Didn't TTY skipped the CHN Open WTS750 and paid the fine ? Injury wasn't the reason given, similarly for Marin's case.
     
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    So you are saying that TTY skipped CHN Open to avoid losing in not good form instead of just taking a chance to take a break/rest or avoid injuries playing in not a good form? Rather than just to avoid the risk of being defeated. Being unfit and play, you are risking your own health and injuries. And she got injured playing in Hong Kong Open. Do you think that was worth it?

    Avoiding risk of injuries should be the athlete's number one priority. Especially so when they are already in the top.
    Just because other players are doing so doesn't mean they have to follow suit.

    Do you think athletes are machines and have spare parts to replace the damaged part when needed? What can money do when you have injuries? Do you think you can use a lot of money for an instant recovery overnight?
     
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    You are indirectly agreeing with me. TTY's injury in HK Open wasn't known beforehand (you're speaking after the fact), she simply didn't feel she could perform well in CHN Open WTS750 and chose to skip it , hence subjected to penalty.

    So you mean all those who don't choose to skip the prestigious WTF, the only WTS event available for the top 8 qualifiers in December, are risking injury and should take a break instead at the end of one long year of tough competition and hectic schedule. How come only Marin understood this and yet chooses to play the PBL ? Similar for TTY who feared playing the CHN Open WTS750 is risking injury but not the HK Open WTS500 that followed (and she could've chosen to skip the latter event instead), her injury on Final's Day was unforeseen.

    Mind you, we're talking about two notably very fit WS players.

    In short, avoiding injuries should always be the number priority for any professional athlete but there are other priorities too that affect your decision in selecting what tournaments to play. Still mind you, the WTS750 and the WTF are no ordinary events, on the contrary, they are important and prestigious enough to merit some serious consideration for the top tier players.

    You forgot Chou Tien Chen, the workhorse; even the aged 35-year-old Lin Dan didn't know better than to skip the CHN Open or HK Open, not to mention that WTS100/300 ones. Also when VA skipped a couple of tournaments, some people here were sceptical. Enough said, I don't wish to go round in circles with you, esp when you're enlarging the scope of the argument.
     
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    No, you were the one enlarging the scope of the argument.

    My argument stays, that the players, in this case Marin or TTY, didn't necessarily choose to skip big tournaments because they want to avoid the risk of losing to some or big rivals as you claimed. But more about taking care of their own well being and avoid injuries.
     
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    Again, you conveniently ignore my counterpoints. The two fittest WS in the circuit simply skipped two top tournaments - TTY avoided CHN Open but not HK Open the week after (why not the other way round ?), while CM after losing in both the CHN Open (to Chen Yufei) and HK Open (to TTY), then pulled out of the WTF held three weeks later - to avoid injuries, no other reasons ? I don't buy it.

    Never mind. Let's agree to disagree.
     
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    well, players rarely withdraw when they r on winning streak. Maybe "im a bit tired but dont want to waste this form" and when they lose they decide to take a break. But still i dont think its because of any specific opponent. Tai skip a tourney not because of aka
     
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    I didn't ignore your counterpoints. Two fittest WS (according to you) didn't just simply skip tournaments. TTY chose to skip CHN and played in HK Open because she wanted to defend her title there and hoping to get a hat-trick of HK titles even though she mentioned that she wasn't fit, then she got injured instead of a title. She could have skipped both if she wanted to and paid the fine for both.

    It's your "fittest" players can't possibly get tired, unfit or injured and supposed to be "fit" all the time theory so when they skip tournaments it must be because they are afraid of losing to certain rivals.
    And TTY and CM were the winners of most major titles this year. This BWF rule of having all top players to oblige playing in all top tournaments is sick. It's only normal if they want to just get some "rest". Do players have to be like HBJ to get seriously injured in front of everyone so you can say "Oh okay she is injured, if she skipped the next tournament, then it is because of injury"?
    You'll probably just say HBJ has stamina issues and that it's her own fault to get injured like that.

    Yes, Agree to disagree.
     
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    World championships thrice. Small correction.

    Note: she was bought for $1,14,280 in the auction.
    If her team wins, her team will receive approx.$2,88,000 (she will receive her share). If she is 'player of the day' for a particular tie, she will $1000. And also if her smash is fastest of the day, she will receive another $1000 . And also some other categories are there as well .

    Sent from my SM-G600FY using Tapatalk
     
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    Will she receive $1000 if she is the loudest (screamer) of the day? :D:D
     
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    Yeah, but they have to actually play in WTC. From the history, the players that qualified via WC wild card ended up not playing in SSF. NO was not playing last year. Fu/Zhang and Chen Long chose not to play in 2016 despite being Olympic champions.
     
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    "It's your "fittest" players can't possibly get tired, unfit or injured and supposed to be "fit" all the time theory so when they skip tournaments it must be because they are afraid of losing to certain rivals." - that's putting words into my mouth or simply misrepresenting or misunderstanding my views.

    Sorry, where was it reported that TTY said she wasn't fit to play both the CHN and HK Opens and chose to skip the first one ahead of time and pay the penalty? And, if so, how can she expect to defend her HK Open title if unfit ? Isn't she risking injury as well ? Besides, assuming she's not unfit, by choosing to play only the second of the two back-to-back tournaments she would enjoy a significant physical advantage over most of her main rivals, esp those who went deep in the CHN Open previously.

    HBJ's stamina issue is well-known, no comparison with TTY, CM, NO , or AY. In fact, of the top 15 WS, her fitness level is the worst. Perhaps she should've followed your advice and paid the penalty to skip the HK Open , in retrospect, thus avoiding the ankle injury.:D:)

    Yes, we can agree to disagree (but your parting words compelled me to rebut as I deemed fit, I'm sorry).
     
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    Haven't you heard of Facebook? You should try checking it out, you will be amazed by how much information you can get from it.

    Yes, HBJ should have skipped the HK Open. In China Open it was obvious she wasn't fit but she pushed herself beyond her limit in that match against PVS. And it's no joke that a player got injured.
     
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